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Old Yesterday, 08:58 AM
 
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I guess I will never understand why some people think totally unskilled, entry level jobs should pay a "living wage" that will support a family. Working in a McD's should be a job for a teenager or retiree working part time to pick up some spending money. It should not be considered as a career.
That is the way it used to be viewed. Today those McJobs are careers since so many are unskilled.
And they consider themselves 'middle class' so that includes family, car and home.
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Old Yesterday, 09:00 AM
 
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That is the way it used to be viewed. Today those McJobs are careers since so many are unskilled.
And they consider themselves 'middle class' so that includes family, car and home.
The father of the minimum wage disagrees with that.

Why do you think FDR said the minimum wage should be a living wage to support a family?
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Old Yesterday, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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I’m up in Reno, and there are casinos that there are no people, all done electronically. 20-30 years ago there were people.
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Old Yesterday, 09:20 AM
 
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The father of the minimum wage disagrees with that.

Why do you think FDR said the minimum wage should be a living wage to support a family?
The guy is dead, probably couldn’t see years ahead.
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Old Yesterday, 10:10 AM
 
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They should have tied the corporate tax cuts to significant wage gains on the bottom end of the work force as well as maintaining current employment levels. Then set the minimum wage to inflate to the 125% of poverty over 5 years. We are going to see issues with automation, have been for decades now, but it will continue to accelerate and it is imperative that corporations are forced to either give up fat tax cuts or keep their employees.

The bottom 50% of the population is where potential demand lies and we have a major demand problem brewing in our economy which is why investment in anything other than corporate stock buybacks has been anemic. Throwing money at people that are at peak demand and just dumping cash into 401k / IRA's doesn't improve the demand picture. Top end stimulus, hoping for trickle down does not work. Hasn't worked well in the past, and will never work well as corporations make decisions on hiring, investment and retention based on DEMAND.


I mostly support this bill. People like to point out these are crap jobs but forget that the majority of people work these or similar jobs for a living. I see no difference in a paper pusher behind a desk and the guy dropping fries in the oil. In fact that fry guy is far more important to me when I'm standing in line than your email forwarding ass in some back office department. You can lie to yourself that you're above that, but reality is most people work **** jobs and that is all most people are qualified to work.

You can talk about boot strapping all day but when 42% of workers make less than $15/hr you create a ton of economic problems. You place the burden on government services, which most of you ***** about the cost of and there is virtually no way out for many of these people. The average american is pretty stupid, half of people are dumber than that. There are limits to what most people can accomplish and at this stage in the game we should be pushing for living wages for everyone because we are above full employment and wages have been slow to rise for the bottom half of workers. We want these people working, corporate profits are soaring there is no reason we can't give the bottom half of the population a reach around.
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 AM
 
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The guy is dead, probably couldn’t see years ahead.
He could. It was supposed to be a living wage. Always. Thats what FDR declared. The recent talking point that "it was never supposed to be a living wage" is just propaganda and historical revisionism.
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Old Yesterday, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I guess I will never understand why some people think totally unskilled, entry level jobs should pay a "living wage" that will support a family. Working in a McD's should be a job for a teenager or retiree working part time to pick up some spending money. It should not be considered as a career.
If you stay at McD's over a year, they will offer you the McD 401k plan.
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Old Yesterday, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power.
Cherry-picker. You cherry-picked 1968 just like any good propagandist and disinformation artist would.

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The father of the minimum wage disagrees with that.

Why do you think FDR said the minimum wage should be a living wage to support a family?
Another cherry-picker.

The federal minimum wage only applied to 700,000 workers.

90% of workers were not allowed to have minimum wage.

Apparently for FDR there were 2 Americas and in one of those 2 Americas 90% of workers made less than minimum wage and were never allowed to have a "living wage."

So, we have 48 Million workers. 43 Million are not allowed to have minimum wage and they wouldn't be allowed to have minimum wage until 1965 and of the remaining 5 Million workers for whom minimum wage might apply more than 4 Million of those were exempted for one reason or another, such as they were salaried employees and so only 700,000 were actually eligible.
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Old Yesterday, 02:09 PM
 
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He could. It was supposed to be a living wage. Always. Thats what FDR declared. The recent talking point that "it was never supposed to be a living wage" is just propaganda and historical revisionism.
A living wage for one person. Not a family. And for one person not in a high cost of living area. Too many minimum wage workers want to live somewhere like San Francisco or LA or NYC. They need to move to some rural area where minimum wage would allow you to live.

More counterpoint here https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#19abc2475ec8
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Old Yesterday, 02:23 PM
 
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He could. It was supposed to be a living wage. Always. Thats what FDR declared. The recent talking point that "it was never supposed to be a living wage" is just propaganda and historical revisionism.
It was enacted STATIC and up to Congress to increase it so NO, it wasn't an "always" bill.

And it was in response to the Great Depression.

From his speech...this did not happen.

http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html
"If we now inflate prices as fast and as far as we increase wages, the whole project will be set at naught. We cannot hope for the full effect of this plan unless, in these first critical months, and, even at the expense of full initial profits, we defer price increases as long as possible."
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