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Old Yesterday, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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...left leaning like CNN
Dude. The Penn Wharton Budget Model is not left leaning, but it must be easy to write anything off that challenges you as “left leaning” instead of having a coherent conversation.
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Old Yesterday, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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My thought process is inarguably correct. Immigrants get a share of the wealth already created, secured, and owned by the natives. They add something to the numerator, but they add far more (proportionately) to the denominator, making Americans poorer per capita.
That's a pretty wild statement. Can your 'thought process' be modified to incorporate new and more accurate data? At least some thinking rule relaxation can avoid looking like a butt of jokes and walk-backs. I do however believe that your conclusion is correct but there could be other reasons that can make Americans poorer.
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Old Yesterday, 01:02 PM
 
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Again, the economic data says the opposite.
No, you just made that up. There is absolutely nothing to support your ludicrous claim.
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Old Yesterday, 01:10 PM
 
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That's a pretty wild statement. Can your 'thought process' be modified to incorporate new and more accurate data? At least some thinking rule relaxation can avoid looking like a butt of jokes and walk-backs. I do however believe that your conclusion is correct but there could be other reasons that can make Americans poorer.
Can anyone translate this to English?
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Old Yesterday, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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No, you just made that up. There is absolutely nothing to support your ludicrous claim.
Data, just data.

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...states-economy

Key Points

*While some policymakers have blamed immigration for slowing U.S. wage growth since the 1970s, most academic research finds little long run effect on Americans’ wages.

*The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.

*Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. But not all taxpayers benefit equally. In regions with large populations of less educated, low-income immigrants, native-born residents bear significant net costs due to immigrants’ use of public services, especially education.
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Old Yesterday, 03:03 PM
 
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Data, just data.

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...states-economy

Key Points

*While some policymakers have blamed immigration for slowing U.S. wage growth since the 1970s, most academic research finds little long run effect on Americans’ wages.

*The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.

*Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. But not all taxpayers benefit equally. In regions with large populations of less educated, low-income immigrants, native-born residents bear significant net costs due to immigrants’ use of public services, especially education.
Your first point admits that immigration is bad for workers.

Your second point is wrong in all respects.

Your third point? Sentence 1 is wrong. So is sentence 3.
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Old Yesterday, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Southern Most New Jersey
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More people in the US to buy more stuff made in china. Brilliant..
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Your first point admits that immigration is bad for workers.

Your second point is wrong in all respects.

Your third point? Sentence 1 is wrong. So is sentence 3.
So you’re cherry picking? That’s pretty intellectually lazy. You take what you like and disregard the rest without any evidence to the contrary.

Do you have peer reviewed research data to support your position like I do? It’s very easy to say “wrong” without providing any credible supporting evidence.
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Old Today, 12:31 AM
 
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I question the truth of this given the advent of increasingly capable robots and AI automation. We should be focusing on improving the skill levels of workers we already have.
This. The official "unemployment rate" is low, but there are large numbers of people, especially among African Americans and American Indians, who are terribly underemployed, if they are working at all. We can't all be rocket scientists (especially me), but it seems like our own workforce should be better utilized, especially with the predictions of much-increased automation. Personally, I liked living in the U.S. when it had half its current population. based on traffic congestion, lakes being over-fished, national parks being overcrowded, standard of living, etc.. How much congestion is "good", even if it means a higher economic output for the country? I've never traveled overseas, but have seen pictures of jam-packed roads in more populous countries - when did something like that become "desirable"? Thirty eight MILLION people currently living in Tokyo? That's a "Good" thing? And, the comment on climate change is correct, you can't have it both ways - "more people living a carbon-heavy lifestyle, and less pollution".

And, I'm not anti-immigrant, but "we", as a nation, need to be able to vet and decide exactly who we let in going forward, our population needs are not the same as they were when France gave us that copper landmark. Lazarus had lofty thoughts, but the world has changed significantly since then. Our greatest export (and gift to the world) should be condoms and birth control pills, if we want to eliminate global poverty.
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Old Today, 01:10 AM
 
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Dude. The Penn Wharton Budget Model is not left leaning, but it must be easy to write anything off that challenges you as “left leaning” instead of having a coherent conversation.
Mmmm yeah. Just as it's easy for many to write off anyone who is against illegal immigration or uncontrolled legal immigration as racist.
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