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Old Yesterday, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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As the U.S. finds itself entangled in a debate over immigration, research indicates that there are plenty of economic benefits of immigration for the American workforce.

In a policy brief for the Migration Policy Institute, Georgetown University professor Harry Holzer detailed the three major shifts that the U.S. labor market will face over the next few decades — an aging workforce, automation, and alternative staffing — and argued that “increased immigration can provide many benefits to the U.S. economy.”

A Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM) policy paper had similar findings, indicating that “the largest positive impact on employment would come from increasing the net flow of immigrants.”
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Old Yesterday, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Olympus Mons, Mars
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correction - we need high skilled immigration, the type that can contribute to production, the tax base and enhance the global competitiveness of the United States... not the type we are currently getting - people who are penniless, uneducated, illiterate and unskilled.
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Old Yesterday, 01:22 PM
 
Location: The Berk in Denver, CO USA
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correction - we need high skilled immigration, the type that can contribute to production, the tax base and enhance the global competitiveness of the United States... not the type we are currently getting - people who are penniless, uneducated, illiterate and unskilled.
Someone has to work in nursing homes.
Someone has to pick strawberries.
Someone has to wash dishes in restaurants.
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Old Yesterday, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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correction - we need high skilled immigration, the type that can contribute to production, the tax base and enhance the global competitiveness of the United States... not the type we are currently getting - people who are penniless, uneducated, illiterate and unskilled.
No. That’s not what the data say. We don’t just need high skilled people. We need people. People to work low skilled jobs and then buy stuff at Walmart. People to get sick and buy Tylenol. People to have kids and buy jackets for them. We need people.

We do need them to be here legally. We need a legal pathway to citizenship for people who want to be here and the standard can’t be so ridiculous that only the people you’re talking about can reach it.

Please read the article.
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Old Yesterday, 01:58 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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The article is talking about the U.S. economy, which needs more and more people to buy things and spend money.
Because the marriage age is going way up, and number of children being born is going way down, the population of the country would drop as the elderly pass on, and are not replaced. Immigration helps make up for that. It doesn't matter whether they are savvy tech workers from India, robotics engineers from China, or farm workers from Mexico, they all buy goods and pay rent which helps the economy. Ideally, they will follow the legal immigration process and become productive, and not a burden on the taxpayers.
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 PM
 
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The article is talking about the U.S. economy, which needs more and more people to buy things and spend money.
Because the marriage age is going way up, and number of children being born is going way down, the population of the country would drop as the elderly pass on, and are not replaced. Immigration helps make up for that. It doesn't matter whether they are savvy tech workers from India, robotics engineers from China, or farm workers from Mexico, they all buy goods and pay rent which helps the economy. Ideally, they will follow the legal immigration process and become productive, and not a burden on the taxpayers.
I agree, but I'd say it's worth looking at the root cause for the decline in reproductive rates.

For one, I suppose there's no longer a need to have more than a few children like what was needed to harvest the crops each year. I bet that's a contributing factor to the decline.

Secondly, I'm sure the financial burden that has been inflicted on younger generations has something to do with it. Coming out of college in debt, not being able to afford stable homes in decent parts of town close to jobs, high childcare costs all influence these decisions. The unfortunate reality is that many couples need a two income household to afford the average home near job centers. Assuming both parents continue to work after childbirth, child care costs can easily spread north of $1,000/mo. These problems only seem to be getting worse for each successive generations.

So while the idea of allowing immigrants into the country to help with these deficiencies is shown to have positive effects, it would also be nice if we focused on correcting some of the domestic issues that are becoming an obstacle for young Americans to get off on the right foot in adulthood. And the cost/benefit would be phenomenal, because we're already here legally, and we're trying to get ahead ourselves. In other words, we already have the proper ingredients, we just need a good recipe.
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Old Yesterday, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I agree, but I'd say it's worth looking at the root cause for the decline in reproductive rates.

For one, I suppose there's no longer a need to have more than a few children like what was needed to harvest the crops each year. I bet that's a contributing factor to the decline.
The two big variables in play globally seem to be urbanization- if you don't have a farm, then kids are a financial burden rather than an asset that can be put to work, and even in places like Nigeria, the birth rate in Lagos is a fraction of what it is for subsistence farms- and higher educational opportunities for women- the more education, the higher the odds that a woman will find a job they like and want to keep it for a long time rather than opting to be a SAHM for 4-6 kids.

Even in places like Brazil, Mexico, and Iran, the birth rate now struggles to hit replacement rate. Easy access to contraception helps- it's dead common for a married Mexican woman to have a tubal in the same hospital stay where she delivers baby #2, and contraception is also cheap and convenient for married couples in Iran.

The only regions left where childbirth rates are above replacement rates are sub-Saharan Africa and the South Pacific. (And the South Pacific regional population is small enough it's effectively a rounding area)

So if you're a Generation Xer or younger, the person wiping your rear in the nursing home is probably going to be a nice immigrant not from El Salvador but from Ghana or Zimbabwe.
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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM
 
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But what about climate change ...more people is more carbon footprint and destructive to the environment. There fore we need population reduction. World's experts on climate change Greta thrunburg and AOC says we only got 10 years before it ends the world.
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Old Yesterday, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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But what about climate change ...more people is more carbon footprint and destructive to the environment. There fore we need population reduction. World's experts on climate change Greta thrunburg and AOC says we only got 10 years before it ends the world.
Take your trolling to another thread. You’re not very good at it.
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Old Yesterday, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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“This is probably the main reason that immigration generally is good for an overall economy,” he told Yahoo Finance. “It increases the supply of workers in various fields, and often reduces the labor costs in those fields for two reasons. Number one, only some immigrants are willing to work for less than their native-born counterparts. But also, it’s just extra supply, and an extra supply of workers reduces the costs.”
I question the truth of this given the advent of increasingly capable robots and AI automation. We should be focusing on improving the skill levels of workers we already have.
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