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Old Yesterday, 07:34 AM
 
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I'm not sure why someone would be opposed to extracting resources. I mean, unless they hate the economy. You live in Houston even.
Iím not generally opposed but Iím also not in favor of a free for all

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If you want to see another large recession, gut the US oil industry and make gas $6/gal.

That being said there is a really good case to be made for moving most transportation to domestically generated electricity. But for now we need cheap gas to get us to that point where the tech is commercially feasible.

I would like the R's to be more focused on all issues that the D's tend to be strong on (but go overboard with). One can be pro-environment but still develop natural resource extraction.
Most electricity is generated with Natgas or coal fire plants so Iím not sure itís really any better than oil.
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Old Yesterday, 09:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Got it. So you’re guessing.

So what’s more likely, your scenario or that Iran’s leadership is under massive pressure and pissed about the sanctions and decided to attack the Saudi oil infrastructure? Oil futures just went way up.

As long as we’re both guessing, that’s mine.
we arent really left with any choice but to make educated guesses since the government hides information from us.

the US government still wants its war with iran and some will do anything to stop it. the US government tried to create a great scenario for war with iran by invading countries on its east and west borders. unfortunately for them, obama won the presidency and they werent able to follow through on that plan. but they wont quit.

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Old Yesterday, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Tucson AZ & Leipzig, Germany
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Iím not generally opposed but Iím also not in favor of a free for all



Most electricity is generated with Natgas or coal fire plants so Iím not sure itís really any better than oil.
The big advantage is, electric power plants in the USA run entirely off of Natgas or coal that is produced in the USA. It means that if more of our personal transportation vehicles (cars & small trucks) are powered from the electric grid, it makes the US less vulnerable to and less dependent on foreign imported oil to produce gasoline for automobiles. It might be a net zero benefit in terms of carbon and emissions, but it removes a big lever from OPEC or even Russia to use oil as a political weapon.

Coal is gradually falling as a percentage of power generation in the US, so that means that electric powered vehicles will be re-charged with a gradually cleaner source of power.
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Old Yesterday, 09:10 AM
 
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The big advantage is, electric power plants in the USA run entirely off of Natgas or coal that is produced in the USA. It means that if more of our personal transportation vehicles (cars & small trucks) are powered from the electric grid, it makes the US less vulnerable to and less dependent on foreign imported oil to produce gasoline for automobiles. It might be a net zero benefit in terms of carbon and emissions, but it removes a big lever from OPEC or even Russia to use oil as a political weapon.

Coal is gradually falling as a percentage of power generation in the US, so that means that electric powered vehicles will be re-charged with a gradually cleaner source of power.


I was speaking from an environmental standpoint on the Natgas/coal/electricity vs oil/gasoline
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Old Yesterday, 09:20 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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The general consensus is that the big gas price effects will be on California, which relies the most on Saudi oil, and a minor effect here in WA state. The rest of the nation should not be affected.


https://www.kcra.com/article/califor...rabia/29061694


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1W101B
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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we arent really left with any choice but to make educated guesses since the government hides information from us.

the US government still wants its war with iran and some will do anything to stop it. the US government tried to create a great scenario for war with iran by invading countries on its east and west borders. unfortunately for them, obama won the presidency and they werent able to follow through on that plan. but they wont quit.
Please stop with the inane political theater, it demeans you.

President number 44 was just as good as any other for war-related business, two new fronts were opened, none were closed, and military stocks tripled in value.

None of them quit, it's part of the job description.
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Old Yesterday, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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we arent really left with any choice but to make educated guesses since the government hides information from us.

the US government still wants its war with iran and some will do anything to stop it. the US government tried to create a great scenario for war with iran by invading countries on its east and west borders. unfortunately for them, obama won the presidency and they werent able to follow through on that plan. but they wont quit.
My undergraduate degree is in political science with an emphasis on Middle East Policy. Iím quite aware of the geopolitical landscape.

Iím also fine with guessing. Itís when you donít qualify your guess as a guess and try to present it as fact when I have a problem.
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Old Yesterday, 10:16 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Please stop with the inane political theater, it demeans you.

President number 44 was just as good as any other for war-related business, two new fronts were opened, none were closed, and military stocks tripled in value.

None of them quit, it's part of the job description.
john mccain wins in 2008 and what are the chances would would have been at war with Iran soon after? we would most likely also be at war with at least a couple of other countries by now.

barack obama isnt any hero of peace, he is only comparatively better than some extremely evil people on the other side. still very evil.
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Old Yesterday, 12:29 PM
 
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I was speaking from an environmental standpoint on the Natgas/coal/electricity vs oil/gasoline
The info I saw showed something like a 50% reduction in emissions even if all electricity came from coal. That's due to the inefficiencies of tens of millions of internal combustion engines vs a single source.

Tech isn't there on the battery front. That should be our new moonshot.
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Old Yesterday, 12:44 PM
 
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The info I saw showed something like a 50% reduction in emissions even if all electricity came from coal. That's due to the inefficiencies of tens of millions of internal combustion engines vs a single source.

Tech isn't there on the battery front. That should be our new moonshot.

What was the source of that info?
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