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Old 10-08-2019, 09:26 PM
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I don't think Trump gives a hoot about either Iran or SA. Is there a Trump Tower in either country?
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:50 PM
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Seems that Saudi Arabia is now eyes wide open to the fact that they cannot "inspire" Trump to intervene on their behalf, treaties be damned. The Saudi response demonstrates they have no interest in conducting their own war against a potent adversary (Iran).


Also, ever observant Israel has also realized that Trump cannot be trusted to defend Israel (at least outwardly yes, but actions speak louder than words, especially w/the troop draw down in Syria). Israel seems to be trying to shore up its flank in preparation for a response to an Iranian "attack by proxy." Perhaps Trump sees the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iranian oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz as another path to energy dominance... or to eventually pull the US into a war that Trump can justify, w/evangelicals demanding it. I find it hard to believe a Commander In Chief would be removed from office in the advent of war. If the US were to assist Israel in an attack on Iran, it's highly likely Iran would unleash a Trumpian fire and fury attack on SA oil facilities.



In lieu of staging a fake Iranian attack that kills Americans, Trump's only justifiable path to military conflict would be through Israel (justifiable to his base). The withdraw of troops from Syria is flashing another green light to Iran to test the waters. It's not out of the question that the Israeli's could stage their own "Gulf of Tonkin" to justify ending a threat that seems to be growing now exponentially... especially when the survival of their country is on the line.

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Old Yesterday, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchmiller9 View Post
The easiest path to dominance is to eliminate your challenger. Will Trump prove to be an evil genius, spawning a military conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

I use the word "conflict" rather than war, because an ongoing conflict is preferable to all-out war. The US energy sector benefits with 2/3 of Saudi output (and its allies), taken offline and the US arms industry benefits by selling weapons to the Saudi's. Russia is the counterpart beneficiary backing the Iranians. Russia and the US win. China and oil producing countries in the middle east lose. Some might see it as a replay of the Iraq/Iran war where the US was funneling weapons and ammo to both sides, prolonging a war of attrition.

A long term (8+ years) conflict could allow the US to deplete a significant portion of its fossil fuel assets at premium prices, before EV's and renewable energy reach critical mass.
Depends on who you are as to whether or not all out war is better or not. If you are poor AND can stay out of a draft an all out war is better because the level of destruction it causes disproportionately effects the wealthy and creates conditions where labor prices sky rocket.

In a protracted localized conflict where the world nuclear powers are pulling the strings that is really really bad for poor people and great for the super rich.

If nuclear weapons get used on super ritzy areas and do massive damage to the affluent thats even better for the poor who can manage to stay out of harms way.

These police actions and proxy wars are really really bad for the non affluent.
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Old Today, 12:00 AM
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nobody is afraid of SA militarily. the US made a deal to protect them if they sold oil in US dollars. the US doesnt want them switching away from dollars.


dont fool yourself into believing that they are any less moral than the US government. there is no greater evil on earth today than the US government. its interesting to see an American refer to Saudi Arabians as immoral. do you have no idea what the US government does overseas? Mass murder for money. Who kills more people directly and indirectly than the US government?
US govt in direct step with US and british corporations. Its no wonder they are allied with SA ...

Russia wont tolerate the immorality and so they are being isolated ... I think the stage is being set for the end of the world.
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