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Old 09-25-2019, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas (Winchester)
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The easiest path to dominance is to eliminate your challenger. Will Trump prove to be an evil genius, spawning a military conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

I use the word "conflict" rather than war, because an ongoing conflict is preferable to all-out war. The US energy sector benefits with 2/3 of Saudi output (and its allies), taken offline and the US arms industry benefits by selling weapons to the Saudi's. Russia is the counterpart beneficiary backing the Iranians. Russia and the US win. China and oil producing countries in the middle east lose. Some might see it as a replay of the Iraq/Iran war where the US was funneling weapons and ammo to both sides, prolonging a war of attrition.

A long term (8+ years) conflict could allow the US to deplete a significant portion of its fossil fuel assets at premium prices, before EV's and renewable energy reach critical mass.
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:37 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Will Trump prove to be an evil genius...
Nope. Nor any other sort. The only question is which flavor of lunatic.
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:53 AM
 
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Containing that conflict could prove to be impossible. Trump's evil genius is on par with his BFF's, Kim.
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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The easiest path to dominance is to eliminate your challenger. Will Trump prove to be an evil genius, spawning a military conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

I use the word "conflict" rather than war, because an ongoing conflict is preferable to all-out war. The US energy sector benefits with 2/3 of Saudi output (and its allies), taken offline and the US arms industry benefits by selling weapons to the Saudi's. Russia is the counterpart beneficiary backing the Iranians. Russia and the US win. China and oil producing countries in the middle east lose. Some might see it as a replay of the Iraq/Iran war where the US was funneling weapons and ammo to both sides, prolonging a war of attrition.

A long term (8+ years) conflict could allow the US to deplete a significant portion of its fossil fuel assets at premium prices, before EV's and renewable energy reach critical mass.
The Saudis have been gearing up to fight Iran for decades but they still likely would be defeated without a massive USA help.

Trump is non evil but still is a genius, he doesn't want a war in the Middle East. He is too honest like here when he pointed out to everyone that Iran bombed Saudi oil fields...the Saudis have publicly refused to accept this because they know they would lose a war with Iran without massive assistance from the USA and their Arab brothers.
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:22 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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The easiest path to dominance is to eliminate your challenger. Will Trump prove to be an evil genius, spawning a military conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

I use the word "conflict" rather than war, because an ongoing conflict is preferable to all-out war. The US energy sector benefits with 2/3 of Saudi output (and its allies), taken offline and the US arms industry benefits by selling weapons to the Saudi's. Russia is the counterpart beneficiary backing the Iranians. Russia and the US win. China and oil producing countries in the middle east lose. Some might see it as a replay of the Iraq/Iran war where the US was funneling weapons and ammo to both sides, prolonging a war of attrition.

A long term (8+ years) conflict could allow the US to deplete a significant portion of its fossil fuel assets at premium prices, before EV's and renewable energy reach critical mass.
It's a good post, but you could have very gainfully left out the contemporary political theater, useless.

In terms of real politics, what you describe has been a major theme since year one, since sticks and stones, agriculture and military, fuel and military, survival and defense, as basic as life itself, constant warfare against darkness, chaos, death, and total dissipation.

It's good business.

Good Luck!
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Old 09-25-2019, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If we eliminated government meddling (subsidies and penalties), we could dramatically reduce energy consumed for transportation. How? Stop subsidizing the automobile / petroleum / pavement hegemony and shift to the most fuel efficient form of land transport - electric traction rail. Based on rolling resistance alone, there would be a 90% savings. Add in regenerative braking, and that rises to 95%.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The easiest path to dominance is to eliminate your challenger. Will Trump prove to be an evil genius, spawning a military conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

I use the word "conflict" rather than war, because an ongoing conflict is preferable to all-out war. The US energy sector benefits with 2/3 of Saudi output (and its allies), taken offline and the US arms industry benefits by selling weapons to the Saudi's. Russia is the counterpart beneficiary backing the Iranians. Russia and the US win. China and oil producing countries in the middle east lose. Some might see it as a replay of the Iraq/Iran war where the US was funneling weapons and ammo to both sides, prolonging a war of attrition.

A long term (8+ years) conflict could allow the US to deplete a significant portion of its fossil fuel assets at premium prices, before EV's and renewable energy reach critical mass.
unfortunately, i doubt the US could resist the temptation of getting directly involved in a war. i guess it depends on the president. we have been able to keep obama and trump limited in terms of additional direct action. you stick a different republican in there and that could all change.

this analysis makes me sad because i could see trump viewing that as a win. i think we all win when there is peace. war can be a very destabilizing thing, you dont know what bad things can come out of it. fine for government, not good for us or other humans.
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Most New Jersey
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Trump does not want a war.

Trump is aware that the current style of war goes through a phenomenal rate of ordinance in the blink of an eye. He knows the USA has to stay out of an ordinance bleed to keep the Chinese at bay.
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Old 09-25-2019, 09:12 PM
 
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We can bomb SA back to pre Islamic bedouin society.

Plus we get more oil from Canada. We dont need SA.
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Old 09-26-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Trump does not want a war.

Trump is aware that the current style of war goes through a phenomenal rate of ordinance in the blink of an eye. He knows the USA has to stay out of an ordinance bleed to keep the Chinese at bay.
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We can bomb SA back to pre Islamic bedouin society.

Plus we get more oil from Canada. We dont need SA.
both of these posts are kind of weird.

nobody is worried about a war with china. using up ordnance is a good thing for government because that means buying more ordnance. war is about money, that is all. trump doesnt want war because he didnt come through the normal government path. he is being constantly pushed for war though by fellow politicians and political class people.

the second post is kind of strange because the US has no intention to bomb saudi arabia. its iran that the US warmongers are trying to make war with. supposedly the US has to go to war if saudi arabia says so. supposedly they are on the hook because of an agreement made that the US would protect them if they agree to sell their oil in dollars (the whole petrodollar thing). the interesting thing is that nobody in the world believes it when the US and/or saudi arabia blames iran. its interesting and great.
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