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Old 04-27-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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Absolutely! Universities have made themselves irrelevant years ago. Expensive and politically extreme and irrelevant.

Community colleges, on the other hand, will probably continue to thrive. Commuters, part-timers, practical STEM and trades and business degrees, with remote/online options and practical internships: this is what meets our society's needs today.

Gender studies majors spending most of their waking hours watching Netflix and pursuing far-left wing political causes whilst living in luxury dorms and racking up $60K/year debts, to be paid off over the next 20 years as baristas at Starbucks? That's over, and good riddance!
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Old 04-27-2020, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Dessert
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I think this may increase the use of online learning, but the cachet of physical campuses will remain. It'll be like the difference between going to Harvard vs State University.

Interacting with other students can form bonds that last a lifetime and create networks that help career growth.

I think more middle-class and poorer folk will shift to online, but richer folk will stick with campus life and the old-boy network will remain.
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Old 04-27-2020, 11:29 AM
 
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I think this may increase the use of online learning, but the cachet of physical campuses will remain. It'll be like the difference between going to Harvard vs State University.
Maybe more going to Harvard School of Business vs. getting an online MBA from The University of Southern North Dakota dot com.
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Old 04-27-2020, 02:19 PM
 
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Everything is going virtual, which is time and cost efficient. When people get adapted to online learning, it will be difficult to lure them back on campus. It is foreseeable that over 50 % of higher ed institutions will close down their campuses in the coming decade. Education reformation is in the making and thanks to covid!
Google "Cliff of 2025" and you will see what colleges and universities have been eyeing for the past couple of years. Smart administrators were already planning with that in mind.

Some schools - mostly private - were already close to closing. Many publics were already closing programs, realigning colleges and in some cases, merging with other schools.

Like well-designed, well-run face-to-face instruction, well-designed, well-run distance instruction hits learning goals and accreditation, but is also not inexpensive. What we are seeing right now - Spring 2020 - is NOT "online leaning" but rather simply trying to salvage something out of COVID with the tools available.

You get what you pay for.
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:35 PM
 
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I think this may increase the use of online learning, but the cachet of physical campuses will remain. It'll be like the difference between going to Harvard vs State University.

Interacting with other students can form bonds that last a lifetime and create networks that help career growth.

I think more middle-class and poorer folk will shift to online, but richer folk will stick with campus life and the old-boy network will remain.

Colleges nowadays, especially non-prestigious ones, don't actually provide an education.
They mostly sell certifications that you showed up to class... and often not even that.
Hard sciences will always require labs but online lectures is a VERY easy and natural transition.
The elite schools will still require face time to provide the chosen few with the networking that is essential to launch and nourish their careers.
But online classes will be an especial boon to athletes who won't need to pretend to attend class thus allowing them to focus on their sport in the hopes of hitting the draft jackpots.

Perhaps some ivory tower academics will wake up on an ice flow and some pseudo 'universities' may come tumbling down.
One can only wait and hope.

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Old 04-27-2020, 05:49 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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What we need is a certification program that employers respect. Otherwise you can get whatever online degree you want and it is worthless if employers don't respect it and put it in the same category as the for-profit ripoff schools.
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:18 PM
 
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They mostly sell certifications that you showed up to class... and often not even that.
It's not news that colleges turned into job-ticket vending machines. For many professions, just having the ticket is proof you can probably do the rote job after they train you. Hardly matters who slept through classes or not.

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What we need is a certification program that employers respect. Otherwise you can get whatever online degree you want and it is worthless if employers don't respect it and put it in the same category as the for-profit ripoff schools.
I'm not sure I'd draw too many distinctions of quality across the bottom 75% of schools regardless of their funding structure.

We need to just send about 50% of those forced into overpaid college programs to shorter, cheaper and more meaningful trade schools, all the way up to most CS and IT specialties. Leave college for those who, you know, want to learn something.
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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The country that can come up with a more efficient education system is going to garner a ton of benefit. It's sad that all of the talk this election was on making tuition loans disappear instead of the underlying issue of how are we going to get people educated to relevant status (not necessarily just for kids) in an efficient manner.
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Old 04-27-2020, 07:19 PM
 
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It's not news that colleges turned into job-ticket vending machines. For many professions, just having the ticket is proof you can probably do the rote job after they train you. Hardly matters who slept through classes or not.
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We need to just send about 50% of those forced into overpaid college programs to shorter, cheaper and more meaningful trade schools, all the way up to most CS and IT specialties. Leave college for those who, you know, want to learn something.


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What we need is a certification program that employers respect. Otherwise you can get whatever online degree you want and it is worthless if employers don't respect it and put it in the same category as the for-profit ripoff schools.


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The country that can come up with a more efficient education system is going to garner a ton of benefit. It's sad that all of the talk this election was on making tuition loans disappear instead of the underlying issue of how are we going to get people educated to relevant status (not necessarily just for kids) in an efficient manner.
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Old 04-27-2020, 08:11 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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I certainly hope a lot of the fat gets cut out and the price goes down to reflect that.
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