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Old 03-12-2021, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Folks are living in the 60s. These days, MANY people are working MW jobs are adults. As another post put it, there just aren't enough "good paying jobs", so even if people "bettered themselves", many will still be stuck in the same rut. Hell, I know a lot of high school and college kids are _skipping_ MW jobs. They'll either do an internship, or just use the time to take a vacation, or do more training. These days, not too many companies are impressed that you folded sweaters, brewed coffee, stocked shelves, or worked a cash register.

Also, everything else has gone up... rent, mortgage, college, medical bills.
Stats don't back your statements - few work minimum wage jobs and very few are adults.
According to BLS.gov data most earning min wage are part time (<35hrs) and teenagers (16-19).
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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Redguard57, Oregon legislators chose to gradually increase their minimum rate to a targeted nominal rate that exceeds that of our federal minimum wage. Thereafter their rates are monitored and annually adjusted to retain that targeted rate’s purchasing power. That’s exactly the manner of the U.S. House’s passed “Raise the Wage” bill was drafted.
Additionally, Oregon differentiates their rates by population density among their local governments’ jurisdictions.

The federal minimum rate passed by our U.S. does not differentiate between the states. (It may be unconstitutional for the federal government to do so). It’s our congress’s determined minimum rate that limits the extents lower wage rate states can undermine wage rates within other USA states.

To the extent of its purchasing power and enforcement, the federal minimum rate reduces incidences and extents of poverty among USA’s working-poor. Lower wage rate employees, job seekers, and their dependents within states having lesser regard for their lower wage-rate workers, proportional to their incomes, in aggregate benefit more due to the federal minimum rate.
Respectfully, Supposn
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Old 03-13-2021, 08:26 AM
 
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Stats don't back your statements - few work minimum wage jobs and very few are adults.
According to BLS.gov data most earning min wage are part time (<35hrs) and teenagers (16-19).
But a MW increase drives up other low wage jobs.

A MW increase will be a windfall for landlords because they know these workers make up most of their tenants.

Burger flippers and CNA's aren't out buying new homes.
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Old 03-13-2021, 08:10 PM
 
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It'll lead to higher unemployment.. That's the only thing I can say for certain. The push has been on for automation.. Expect that effort to be redoubled.

You'll wind up at a McDonalds and there'll be 2 people in the store. You and one employee.. I nearly said "Cook", but there'll be a robot doing that, too. Eventually, when things get settled, it'll just be you and an 800 number to call if you have a problem.

I don't know about that. My state already has an $11 an hour minimum wage (as of Jan. 1st) and my part of the state has a red hot economy so there is wage pressure across the board. Still appear to be the same number of people working at my local McDonalds. However, you'll now pay $10 for a combo and pushing $5 for a single breakfast sandwich.
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Old 03-13-2021, 09:15 PM
 
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It'll lead to higher unemployment.. That's the only thing I can say for certain. The push has been on for automation.. Expect that effort to be redoubled.

You'll wind up at a McDonalds and there'll be 2 people in the store. You and one employee.. I nearly said "Cook", but there'll be a robot doing that, too. Eventually, when things get settled, it'll just be you and an 800 number to call if you have a problem.
Labonte18, increasing the federal minimum rate has and will accelerate automation in the USA.
The wage rates of the poorest national economies have the least purchasing powers. Automation is not justified when human labor is available, can accomplish the tasks just as well, and at costs that do not exceed automation’s costs. Unsurprisingly, the poorest nations are the slowest to adopt advances in automation.
Automation is justified when it can produce consistently better products and/or products at lesser costs. Automation has always been to our nation’s net benefit.
To argue against higher wages because they encourage automation, is to argue in favor of poverty.
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Old 03-14-2021, 09:29 AM
 
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Stats don't back your statements - few work minimum wage jobs and very few are adults.
According to BLS.gov data most earning min wage are part time (<35hrs) and teenagers (16-19).
DDeemo, that’s not indicated by U.S. Congressional Budget Office’s, (CBO’s) reports regarding federal minimum wage rate increases. Please provide links to what you’re referring to.

CBO’s reports indicate federal minimum wage rate more or less directly affect upon what they describe as ALL of USA’s low wage-rate workers.
Although substantial proportions of USA’s low wage-rate workers are employed for less than 35 hours per week, and are teenagers, a substantial portion of low wage-rate workers work 35 or more hours per week, and/or are adults, and /or are members of their low income wage-earning families.
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Old 03-14-2021, 09:41 AM
 
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DDeemo, that’s not indicated by U.S. Congressional Budget Office’s, (CBO’s) reports regarding federal minimum wage rate increases. Please provide links to what you’re referring to.

CBO’s reports indicate federal minimum wage rate more or less directly affect upon what they describe as ALL of USA’s low wage-rate workers.
Although substantial proportions of USA’s low wage-rate workers are employed for less than 35 hours per week, and are teenagers, a substantial portion of low wage-rate workers work 35 or more hours per week, and/or are adults, and /or are members of their low income wage-earning families.
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Exactly. A MW increase will increase many jobs that are low wage, but not necessarily MW. These are mostly renters. A MW increase is a landlord's wet dream - enough to pay more rent, but they still won't make enough to buy a house.
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Old 03-14-2021, 10:20 AM
 
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Exactly. A MW increase will increase many jobs that are low wage, but not necessarily MW. These are mostly renters. A MW increase is a landlord's wet dream - enough to pay more rent, but they still won't make enough to buy a house.
Eeko156, federal minimum wage rate increases certainly increase the purchasing powers of all USA aggregate low wage-rate workers’ incomes, and although they do not directly affect enterprises incomes, there are many commercial enterprises such as lower priced residential leasing enterprises, that are sensitive to the financial conditions of low wage-rate workers and their families.

For example, governments’ net costs for subsidizing mass transportation are also sensitive to purchasing powers of those low wage-rate workers and their families that that are use mass transportation. The cities learned of that when black churches urged their people to refrain from getting to the back of the bus by boycotting the bus companies.
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Old 03-14-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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Eeko156, federal minimum wage rate increases certainly increase the purchasing powers of all USA aggregate low wage-rate workers’ incomes, and although they do not directly affect enterprises incomes, there are many commercial enterprises such as lower priced residential leasing enterprises, that are sensitive to the financial conditions of low wage-rate workers and their families.

For example, governments’ net costs for subsidizing mass transportation are also sensitive to purchasing powers of those low wage-rate workers and their families that that are use mass transportation. The cities learned of that when black churches urged their people to refrain from getting to the back of the bus by boycotting the bus companies.
Respectfully, Supposn
The demand for subsidized housing far surpasses the supply. In my area alone, the wait lists aren't even open.

As for transportation - this can certainly be expensive - but housing is by far the largest expense for most Americans, and unless you live in a rural area or want to rent a room in someone's basement, chances are you will be paying market rent.
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