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Old 02-06-2021, 06:47 PM
 
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On the bolded? Did he give them American tax dollars or simply released their money that was frozen because we can push around less powerful countries?
Rasta has the scoop!
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Old 02-06-2021, 09:29 PM
 
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Anyway, there's no more "waste". There's nothing left to cut.
OMG! That's got to be the mis-statement of the century!

BTW, this thread is not just about "foreign aid". That's just one small part of the financial mess that we're in.
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Old 02-07-2021, 01:04 AM
 
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I suspect that most or all of these problems could be fixed with just the money we waste on foreign aid and payments to non-citizens.
Income taxes are a relic from newly industrializing economies more than a century ago.

In the information age, money grows on electrons.

History clearly shows that money does not solve problems, humans beings do.

Money grows on electrons, human solutions to human problems do not.

Oh, wait! Droids! All of you!

Good Luck.
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Old 02-07-2021, 08:46 AM
 
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No, they can't. You know why? Because foreign aid was already slashed to the bone in the mid-90's, during the Gingrich Contress! ALL the government foreign aid agencies were cut loose, and told to fend for themselves. They are now non-profit organizations, going begging annually for their operating budgets!

<sigh.> Should this entire post be put on display in the Education forum as Exhibit 1 of the failures of the American educational system???

Or, should this entire post be put on display in the Psychology forum as Exhibit 1 of the Dunning-Kruger Effect?

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Anyway, there's no more "waste". There's nothing left to cut.

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.cagw.org/

https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/dr-...vernment-waste
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Old 02-07-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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OMG! That's got to be the mis-statement of the century!

BTW, this thread is not just about "foreign aid". That's just one small part of the financial mess that we're in.
Yeah, thanks, I can read the OP. I was responding to one poster (as indicated in my quoting of his post ), who mentioned the foreign aid point.

Since you seem to have a bit of trouble following, let me clarify, that when I said "there's nothing left to cut", it was in the context of ...you know...the rest of my post. Foreign aid. The cutting's already been done.


But since you do raise the issue of more cuts to the federal budget , let me just say, that what needs to be done now, is not more de-funding, but massive RE-funding; restoration of prior funding levels to agencies that have been eviscerated for the cause of still more tax breaks for people who don't need them.

Extreme income inequality breeds political instability. That used to be taught in university economics classes back in the good old days of the mid-19th Century, those Leave-It-To-Beaver days. Latin America was shown as the sick patient. You, too, can live in a country with 3 Communist Parties, 2 Maoist Parties, and 2 or more Socialist Parties! Just keep voting to rob your own government and give all the proceeds to people who already have more money than they know what to do with! Let Social Security go bankrupt, who cares? You're sitting pretty, so what's the noise all about, right?

Cheers. Enjoy your day.

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Old 02-07-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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Since you seem to have a bit of trouble following, let me clarify, that when I said "there's nothing left to cut", it was in the context of ...you know...the rest of my post. Foreign aid. The cutting's already been done.

But since you do raise the issue of more cuts to the federal budget , let me just say, that what needs to be done now, is not more de-funding, but massive RE-funding.
Are you saying that there is nothing left to cut in terms of foreign aid?

What about the $25 million given by Congress in December 2020 for gender programs in Pakistan? Is that not something that could be cut?

https://www.business-standard.com/ar...2201575_1.html

I suspect that the mullahs in Pakistan had a good laugh with the US giving money to their country for some stupid programs that they have no intention of running.
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Old 02-07-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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<sigh.> Should this entire post be put on display in the Education forum as Exhibit 1 of the failures of the American educational system???

Or, should this entire post be put on display in the Psychology forum as Exhibit 1 of the Dunning-Kruger Effect?




https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.cagw.org/

https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/dr-...vernment-waste
Another poster who doesn't understand the role that context plays in providing meaning. See my response to your colleague, who made the same mistake. I bet you guys didn't do very well on the reading comprehension part of the SAT.

But you do get points for identifying the military as needing budget cuts. Too bad that federal budget category has been sacrosanct for all the conservative Presidents. Maybe you should re-evaluate your voting choices.

Good ol' Reader's Digest! What would we do without them, for authoritative reporting on the issues of the day?
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Old 02-07-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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Yeah, thanks, I can read the OP. I was responding to one poster (as indicated in my quoting of his post ), who mentioned the foreign aid point.

Since you seem to have a bit of trouble following, let me clarify, that when I said "there's nothing left to cut", it was in the context of ...you know...the rest of my post. Foreign aid. The cutting's already been done.


But since you do raise the issue of more cuts to the federal budget , let me just say, that what needs to be done now, is not more de-funding, but massive RE-funding; restoration of prior funding levels to agencies that have been eviscerated for the cause of still more tax breaks for people who don't need them.

Extreme income inequality breeds political instability. That used to be taught in university economics classes back in the good old days of the mid-19th Century, those Leave-It-To-Beaver days. Latin America was shown as the sick patient. You, too, can live in a country with 3 Communist Parties, 2 Maoist Parties, and 2 or more Socialist Parties! Just keep voting to rob your own government and give all the proceeds to people who already have more money than they know what to do with! Let Social Security go bankrupt, who cares? You're sitting pretty, so what's the noise all about, right?

Cheers. Enjoy your day.
So I guess Chuck and Nancy are trying to eliminate income inequality with this move, eh?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/20/stat...t-a-fight.html
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Old 02-07-2021, 09:57 AM
 
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Are you saying that there is nothing left to cut in terms of foreign aid?

What about the $25 million given by Congress in December 2020 for gender programs in Pakistan? Is that not something that could be cut?

https://www.business-standard.com/ar...2201575_1.html

I suspect that the mullahs in Pakistan had a good laugh with the US giving money to their country for some stupid programs that they have no intention of running.
Oh, great; so we've now moved "forward" (a relative term on this thread) from Redear's Digest as our authoritative source, to a failing 3rd World newspaper with clearly no understanding of how US foreign aid works, nor of its purpose/s.

Wiki is your friend:

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Business Standard

Business Standard is one of the largest Indian English-language daily edition newspapers published by Business Standard Ltd in two languages, the other being Hindi.

Though unquestionably a huge editorial success, BS failed to click in the market. Though circulation rose, losses mounted, possibly to above Rs 50 crore, when ABP could not support it any more. ABP had lived in the hope that the Government would allow the London-based Financial Times to take an equity stake in Business Standard Limited and bring in the much-needed funds.

In 1997, it was purchased by Kotak Mahindra Finance, in a deal led by now Kotak Mahindra Bank Managing Director and CEO Uday Kotak. Kotak said in an interview in 2005 that BS was losing Rs 1.5 crore a month and ABP feared being bankrupted by the losses.
BTW, isn't India the country where women bus passengers get raped by the drivers? And you're surprised their business editors are ruffled over the thought, that the US would strike very close to their borders with education and empowerment programs for women? Now operated apparently by one Uday Kosak. Catchy name. I wonder if he was named after Sadam Hussein's son, Uday. Maybe not. How ironic he refers to his newspaper as "BS". Maybe that's his real opinion of it.

The US has been funding education and grass roots economic development in developing countries for decades, for women, Indigenous people, and other marginalized groups, and toward democratization, among other projects. This money does not pass through any foreign governments. The US isn't that dumb, but clearly, many of its citizens are dumb enough to think the money goes abroad in the form of checks to corrupt foreign bureaucrats.

The reason the US does this is that a) it finally caught on to the fact, that it was losing the ideology battle in parts of the 3rd World to Cuba and the USSR (back prior to 1990), who had been offering university educations to the poor, and gaining their undying loyalty in the process. (This influence is still huge in Latin America, btw, and Russia & Cuba are still at it.) Way back then, the US had only been offering education to elites. Do you see the problem there? No? Well, you should.

Supporting education and economic development on a grassroots level, by lifting people up and creating jobs and boosting people into the middle class, not only creates more political stability (along with goodwill toward the US), it also combats problems like like we've seen Saudi Arabia take advantage of: massive unemployment among the young, who are easily recruited to radical fundamentalist movements hostile to the US. It's in this type of arena that foreign aid plays a crucial role. Or perhaps you'd prefer to keep more people unhappy, so they become terrorists and take out more US citizens?

IDK why you'd have a problem with democratization programs, either. I guess you like dictatorships, which generally tend to oppose the US, though not always.

You really fell for the BS' tactics, though; they meant to play on people's ignorance, by referring to "gender programs", and clearly it worked. That's not a club I'd want to belong to, but...suit yourself.

And P.S. Foreign aid really isn't the sector to blame for the fact that the gov't doesn't have the money to to help people who lost jobs due to the pandemic. Blame cuts to unemployment benefits for that, cuts to food stamps, and so much more. That money was given away to people who were/are already very, very well off.

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Old 02-07-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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Sure, that $40 billion we spend on foreign aid is going to make a real difference in the budget.
Exactly! It is around 1% of the federal budget.

See https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R40213

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