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Old 11-28-2018, 02:11 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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...........Apples can grow just about anywhere in Midwest, NE, South (with a few days of frost), yet bulk of the American apples is grown in WA semi-desert. WA+NY+MI > 60% of apples grown. ............
Apples need a cold winter and mildews and pests are reduced with dry weather. Most types of fruit trees are healthier if they get water at the roots but not on the leafs. That means a location with low rain and available irrigation water.

The eastern states have a cedar rust that kills apple trees and is very difficult to fight.

Apples can be grown almost everywhere in the USA, if the right variety is grown, but it isnt economical to grow vast orchards of them just any where. A home apple tree is a completely different situation. OP, if you want apples, perhaps grow your own apple tree?
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:04 AM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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I like apples way more than bananas. I'm somewhat perplexed by the price differences. Apples can grow just about anywhere in Midwest, NE, South (with a few days of frost), yet bulk of the American apples is grown in WA semi-desert. WA+NY+MI > 60% of apples grown. Apple industry worked hard to decrease variety of apples sold from 600 (early 1900s) to 5-6 (today). Yet, the prices of 1lb of apples (at the peak of season) is about twice of that for 1lb of bananas. bananas only grow in equatorial environments and have to be shipped quite a distance. It takes months to mature. Why apple prices cannot be brought down to banana levels?
I actually just read an article on apples. My guess would be the following:
1. Supply and demand. You like apples? Great! You're going to pay for them.
2. Cost to grow apples is quite a bit higher - more maintenance, more work, higher labor costs.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: NJ
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the real question is why are bananas so yummy but banana flavored candy is so gross?
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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Overall both apples and bananas are fairly cheap in the United States, and a good part of any household food bduegt that wants to have some diversity/nutrition without high cost.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:19 PM
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I have an apple orchard.

I am not aware of any apple variety that can be picked green, warehoused and later force-ripened the way that Bananas are.

Most of my apple varieties would go bad, if you attempted long term storage......

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You don't have an apple orchard. You grow old time apples.

We moved into "apple" country in 1985. We lived next to an apple orchard prior to moving into apple country. I told my my real estate agent I wouldn't mind living next to an "apple orchard" again. She was shocked!! Why would anybody in their right mind want to live next to a Industrial Apple Growing area??

Apples are big business. Science based. Apples are picked ripe and stored for a year in controlled atmosphere storage. They come out of cold storage only because the new crop is coming in and need to be moved.

Somebody made a comment about converting apple orchards to a "higher use". Currently orchard lands are going for 70-100 thousand an acre. Subdivisions land prices are about the same so there is little incentive to convert orchards to homes.

There are no longer "trees" growing orchards. They are trellis systems that look more shrubs than trees.

They are mylar sheets on the ground to make sure the bottom of the apples color up just like that tops. There is shade cloth over the trees to make sure that the tops of the apple do not sunburn.

New apple varieties are coming out all the time.....look for the Cosmic Crisp apple in your grocery the next couple of years.

As someone mentioned it is all grown in the Washington desert where rainfall is from 4-8 inches A YEAR. So irrigation give absolute control over the growth of the apples.

Washington apples are sold throughout the world and the industry has roots throughout the world. I suspect there are people in Chile, New Zealand, and other spots in the world that think eastern Washington is the center of the universe!!

In the end, the price of apples is set by supply and demand. There is more world-wide demand for apples than bananas....and more importantly the apple industry has responded to consumer demand. Bananas are still bananas, just like they have been for the past hundred years.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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the real question is why are bananas so yummy but banana flavored candy is so gross?
I've made this in the lab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoamyl_acetate
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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" Bananas are still bananas, just like they have been for the past hundred years."

The one variety is still the dominant one in the marketplace, but my wife grew bananas for us in south Florida. Some of them were amazing - much smaller, but tasting almost like an ice cream without the coldness. I have no recollection of where she bought the corms, we went to a number of places. Maybe the Davie area???

The high-end market for specialty bananas has not yet taken off. When it does...
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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You don't have an apple orchard. You grow old time apples.

We moved into "apple" country in 1985.
In 1985 most of my apple varieties did not exist yet.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:32 PM
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In 1985 most of my apple varieties did not exist yet.
Have you been to eastern Washington and the apple growing region?? You really should make a trip out west.

Most of the commercial apple varieties did not exist in the commercial market at that time, but they were being developed and grown here before being available nation-wide.

There is nothing wrong with the mom and pop apple industry in the rest of the US, but it really is the difference between between a local bookstore and Amazon.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:34 PM
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The high-end market for specialty bananas has not yet taken off. When it does...
Yep, I grew up in Venezuela. Your absolutely right.
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