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Old 03-28-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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That is a red herring. Strictly Republican party politics. Most of the Atty. Generals in play are running for office.They are attempting to waist State peoples funds in order to get attention. Nothing will come of the talk they are spreading. What they need to do is get involved at the State level and provide a vehicle that will control the Insurance Industry, and provide a public option. MA. has done so ,, I guess it would be called Romneycare ?
As long as the State plan meets the HealthCare minims, it will work , and , then provide for those complaning about unfunded mandates.
the cato institute did a report on the cost overrun of "romneycare":
Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare
Thus, between half and two-thirds of those uninsured before the plan was implemented remain so. That’s a far cry from universal coverage. In fact, whatever progress has been made toward reducing the ranks of the uninsured appears to be almost solely the result of the subsidies. The much ballyhooed mandate itself appears to have had almost no impact.

The Massachusetts plan might not have achieved universal coverage, but it has cost taxpayers a great deal of money. Originally, the plan was projected to cost $1.8 billion this year. Now it is expected to exceed those estimates by $150 million. Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted. And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers could be even higher because new federal rules could deprive the state of $100 million per year in Medicaid money that the state planned to use to help finance the program.

Given that the state is already facing a projected budget deficit this year, the pressure to raise taxes, cut reimbursements to health care providers, or cap insurance premiums will likely be intense. Romney likes to brag that he accomplished his health care plan "without raising taxes." Unless something turns around, that is not likely to be the case much longer.

Moreover, the cost of the plan is also likely to continue rising, because the Massachusetts reform has failed to hold down the cost of health care. In actuality, insurance premiums in the state are expected to rise 10–12 percent next year, double the national average.
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Old 03-28-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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Romney is backpedaling a lot from the Mass. situation, perhaps to run in 2012. It'll be hard for him to disavow the Mass. health insurance situation.
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Old 03-28-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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the cato institute did a report on the cost overrun of "romneycare":
Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare
Thus, between half and two-thirds of those uninsured before the plan was implemented remain so. That’s a far cry from universal coverage. In fact, whatever progress has been made toward reducing the ranks of the uninsured appears to be almost solely the result of the subsidies. The much ballyhooed mandate itself appears to have had almost no impact.

The Massachusetts plan might not have achieved universal coverage, but it has cost taxpayers a great deal of money. Originally, the plan was projected to cost $1.8 billion this year. Now it is expected to exceed those estimates by $150 million. Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted. And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers could be even higher because new federal rules could deprive the state of $100 million per year in Medicaid money that the state planned to use to help finance the program.

Given that the state is already facing a projected budget deficit this year, the pressure to raise taxes, cut reimbursements to health care providers, or cap insurance premiums will likely be intense. Romney likes to brag that he accomplished his health care plan "without raising taxes." Unless something turns around, that is not likely to be the case much longer.

Moreover, the cost of the plan is also likely to continue rising, because the Massachusetts reform has failed to hold down the cost of health care. In actuality, insurance premiums in the state are expected to rise 10–12 percent next year, double the national average.
All the more reason for the States to " get it right"...using MA. as an example, the good and the bad. HA. also has a version of Universal health Care, seems to be working...according to Rush Limbaugh ?... Whatever , my point is that the States should get together, and work with National Plan. nationally Insurances Companies are nor regulated. The States are the owns that have the Insurance Commissioners, and set tariffs, and min. requirements for an Insurance company to come into their state to do business. No need to have 50 of them ether....every state should have the same basic requirements. Work together to make things better , now dry to divide,...makes sense.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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the last thing we needed was a messed up national plan, on top of our other problems. in the government's infinite wisdom, it is now going to cost US $10 Billion to Be the Nation's Health Enforcer

(CNSNews.com) – The Internal Revenue Service will function as the government’s chief enforcer for health care reform, should President Obama sign the bill into law as expected, monitoring both businesses and individuals to certify whether they have the insurance coverage the government requires. more layers of bureaucracy and less getting done, as usual.
CNSNews.com - IRS Needs $10 Billion to Be Nation's Health Enforcer (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/63181 - broken link)

of course, people aren't willing to point out that this is 10 billion that could have been spent on actual health care, but is now diverted to health care "enforcement". all this health care bill did was reward the big boys-just like every other bill this congress has put forth.

i can't believe that anybody trusts these people at all! i would like to add that black agenda report did a very good piece on obama and the legislation:
Obama: Inside Man for the Greatest Heist in History | Black Agenda Report
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:14 PM
 
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now with the hamburger,this woudl be a good idea..overweight people cost a lot,this is the truth and one third of usa is overweight..so..this is not a little problem..it is a huge problem..


YouTube - U.S. Government Seeks To Address Obesity
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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YouTube - Overweight America
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:16 PM
 
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YouTube - Conscious TV - Why are Kids Obese in America?
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:00 PM
 
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I don't think that people who have no concern about themselves (i.e. excessive risk taking, destructive habits) and no insurance should be "forced" to buy insurance or pay fines. But, they should be forced to sign documents absolving everyone else of the cost of their foolishness.

You want to ride a motorcycle in tennis shoes and shorts with no helmet? No problem! But when they scrape you off the pavement, it should be much like roadkill. Toss you in the back of a pickup and let your family pay for "disposal". Should your heart explode from years of smoking and eating double bacon cheeseburgers in the groove your created in your couch..."No soup for you!"

BTW, a bunch of guys who thought is was a good idea to wear powdered wigs, endorsing a document that speaks of "god given rights" doesn't make them real!

Also, what about refusing treatment for the children of people who have no insurance? Should they pay for their caregivers shortcomings? Nothing is ever black and white!

On a related note what about forcing people to buy auto insurance or pay fines? Isn't that also about "protecting the greater interest"? Bad idea?

The real issue here is that we are and will be paying for these excesses, failures and unexpected consequences one way or another. And the current system is not working. I always tell my son, take care of your own business, because if I have to step ina and do it you probably won't like the outcome. Apparently, that is where we have finally gotten to with health care in America!
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:18 AM
 
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Last time I checked we still live in a free country where individual choices are respected, who the hell is the government to force me to buy health coverage or pay fines? If I choose not to buy health coverage then it is MY wish.

Thankfully the constitutionality of this is being challenged:

FOXNews.com - Health Care Reform Fight Shifts From Congress to the Courts

If we don't challenge this then what is next? Government forcing everyone to submit to drug tests every 6 months? Or maybe they will fine people for consuming Hamburgers because they are unhealthy...
No disagreements from me.
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:19 AM
 
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You have no rights that are not legislated and protected by law and punishment. There are no "god given rights".
Obviously, you haven't read our Constitution.
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