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Old 06-14-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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I know I work for a broken system but it is the SYSTEM that is broken not me.
Are you not part of that SYSTEM?

I guarantee you if you ask most parents if they feel they could be doing more to help their child succeed in school, most will say yes. Does that mean they are not doing anything? NO, it just means that MOST parents, good parents, ALWAYS feel like they can be doing more for their children. We know we are not perfect.

But Heaven forbid a teacher should admit that maybe, just MAYBE, they could be doing more for their students.

I have been a parent for over 25 years. I have one child who graduated college a few years ago, another in middle school and one in elementary. I know there are WAY more good teachers than bad, as over the years my children have been blessed to be taught by some EXCELLENT teachers.

HOWEVER, there have been a few that, to put it mildly, were less than stellar. I can count on one hand how many times I have had what I feel is a legitimate gripe about how my child was being taught, or more specifically NOT being taught.

Despite the fact that I can count on one hand, over a span of 25 years how many times I have complained, EACH AND EVERY time I was met with EXTREME resistance by the teacher and school personnel! EVERY time was a battle that would take MONTHS to resolve, IF resolved at all!

Why is that? Because the teachers and school administration don't REALLY want parents involved in their kid's education if it differs in any way from their POV and they REFUSE to accept ANY responsibility!

It took literally 7 MONTHS, several notes, several phone conversations and finally a one hour meeting with a reading specialist before my son was given the CORRECT reading level books! Why? Because my opinion as a parent was NOT RESPECTED and the teacher refused to accept responsibility.

I spent an entire summer teaching my daughter how to read after 1st grade because her teacher REFUSED to listen when I told her my dd was having trouble reading. Instead, she insisted my dd was ADHD. Why? Because, again, my opinion as a parent was NOT RESPECTED and the teacher refused to take responsibility.

It took NUMEROUS phone calls and MANY months of my telling the teacher my son was being bullied at lunch time and a call to the principal before anything was done about it. Instead, she called in a psych to tell me my son was ADHD! WHY? Because, YET AGAIN, my opinion as a parent was not respected and the teacher was deflecting responsibility!

And principals do not take responsibility for their teacher's actions. My son's teacher, as a disciplinary action for not paying attention during instruction time, was to MAKE the kids give her FOOD from their lunch box that was not returned. THAT WAS THEIR PUNISHMENT!

Principals reaction? Well, it seems to be working well. WTH?

NO ACCOUNTABILITY! NO RESPONSIBILITY!

We are not respected as parents by teachers and schools, as this thread CLEARLY reveals, and as long as I am not respected by teachers, teachers will get no respect from me.
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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what thrill? its not supposed to be thrilling. its just something you are supposed to do to help improve your chances of a good life later on.
yeah if you have that mindset. I can tell you that when i was in school not once did i ever think "im doing this for a better future". It was "im doing this because my parents and government tell me i have to".
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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I have never seen such disdain for parents as I do on this forum,
Disgusting, isn't it? If you check out Teacher Vent forum, you'll get more of the same. Absolutely disgusting! And they call themselves professionals!
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: NJ
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yeah if you have that mindset. I can tell you that when i was in school not once did i ever think "im doing this for a better future". It was "im doing this because my parents and government tell me i have to".
well, it doesnt really matter what your mindset is as long as you do it. thats why parents play such an important role. they make you do it.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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The parents need to be involved in making sure the children perform in school. The teachers should also be involved. I say both should be involved. Parents more so, but teachers too. Better facilities would help in some places as well. I say all of it plays into the education of a child, with a large bulk of it being to the parents. The parents should not only make sure the kid is doing his job, but the parents should also demand more from the schools, better things, more learning. I know some places that are not conducive to a child learning. In some places, kids are getting into fights in school. When there is so much trouble in school, it makes it hard to learn. When the teacher is having trouble because of a disruptive class room, it makes it hard to teach. When the teacher can't teach, it makes it hard for the children who want to learn to do so. When a school doesn't have all of the textbooks it needs, it makes it hard for the children to do work. This is when teachers need to get creative. When things are breaking down in the school, it makes it hard to run things. When the parents are not making sure the children are doing their homework(and making sure it's done right), then the child won't learn and won't get good grades. The way some schools are, it would actually be better for the parents to take their children out of those schools and homeschool the children. My high school was not in the inner city. However, I can tell you I learned more via watching PBS than I did sitting in the classroom. Stuff I wanted to learn I wasn't learning in the classroom. My parents, at least, kept books in the house. That made it easier. I would say it's ALL of it. Parents, as well as the teachers and the facilities. There needs to be a top to bottom plan.

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Old 06-14-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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[quote=Ivorytickler;19580649]

And I don't care if I misspell a word when I'm typing fast. If you do some reasearch, you will find that that is common on BB's because people write the way they talk on a board and when we talk, we don't think about spelling or punctuation. Please stick to the topic. We all make typos. Pointing them out serves no purpose.[/quote]

Isn't that what teachers are suppose to do? I guess it's all us parents that write on forums making it acceptable to write incorrectly and have bad grammatical skills. Shame on us! It's all our fault that society and well spoken/written language has gone down to tubes.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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The parents need to be involved in making sure the children perform in school. The teachers should also be involved. I say both should be involved. Parents more so, but teachers too. Better facilities would help too.
How should teachers insure students perform? Give me the right to take away their cell phones and we might get somewhere!! I posted earlier that I think we need recess in high school just so we can take it away if kids are behind in school work. We need things we can do. As things are, there is very little I can do if a student is not doing their work. I can talk to them but I have no real power besides grading and if kids don't care about grades, that is worthless. I can call home but we have grades posted on line so parents should already be aware that their student isn't doing their work so that's pointless.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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Teaching is very different than parenting. Hold me accountable for teaching and hold the parents accountable for parenting.

Didn't you blame the parents for bad grades? If we are responsible to teach them properly why do we even have teachers?
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Originally Posted by Ivorytickler View Post

And I don't care if I misspell a word when I'm typing fast. If you do some reasearch, you will find that that is common on BB's because people write the way they talk on a board and when we talk, we don't think about spelling or punctuation. Please stick to the topic. We all make typos. Pointing them out serves no purpose.[/quote]

Isn't that what teachers are suppose to do? I guess it's all us parents that write on forums making it acceptable to write incorrectly and have bad grammatical skills. Shame on us! It's all our fault that society and well spoken/written language has gone down to tubes.
In formal writing, yes. This isn't formal writing and you're not my teacher.

This is a chat board, people write the way they would talk. People talk differently than they write when they write formally. A typo in my dissertation would be a problem. A typo on a test I give or on lecture notes would be a problem. A typo here is just a typo on a board. I don't spell check what I write here and I don't worry about punctuation. This is an informal conversation. In informal conversation we don't think about spelling or punctuation. We also, often, use fragmented sentences.

Pointing this out, and repeating it, adds nothing to the debate at hand.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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Didn't you blame the parents for bad grades? If we are responsible to teach them properly why do we even have teachers?
I am responsible for what I teach. I can't force the students to learn what I teach because I can't force them to study or do homework. For most students, if they don't study chemistry and do their homework, they are not going to do well in my class. Parents can force their children to do homework and to study. They have power. They can ground their chilren and take away privilidges. They can force their children to do what they are supposed to do. I can't.

I do what I can. I teach the material. If you child isn't paying attention or doing their work, all I can do is give a bad grade. It's what parents do as a result of that bad grade that can make a difference.
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