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Old 06-19-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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Its the way they teach it nowdays. Instead of simply teaching history, they want to get "creative" with it. For example, in my dd history class, they learned all about "significant documents" and lumped in the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, US constitution, strung them together in such a way she had no idea what happened when!

Ok, she got a 99% in history, pretty good, eh? then, just yesterday, she asked was the Civil War between North and South China? Or was that North and South Vietnam? she's lost as a goose, yet according to the school system, an honor student, very "proficient" in history!
That sounds like a very reasonable way to teach it, given that the Constitution owes a great deal to the Magna Carta. (and the Declaration of Independence can't really be studied without also looking at the constitution.) History doesn't exist in a void; the Constitution didn't just spring from out of thin air. Sounds like there was a problem with the connections, but the concept itself is valid, given that there are clear connections that can be drawn between all of the documents listed. You don't say how old she is, but if still in elementary school it could just be that they haven't learned about the Civil War yet; if in junior high or high school, then obviously something major was missed along the way. I wouldn't blame it on "creative" teaching, however. (and I also think that family involvement is essential -- parents should be introducing their kids to history, too, and bringing them to historic sites, etc. The fact that you and your daughter are discussing the Civil War -- even if she has a lot of ground to cover -- is a positive thing.)
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Its the way they teach it nowdays. Instead of simply teaching history, they want to get "creative" with it. For example, in my dd history class, they learned all about "significant documents" and lumped in the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, US constitution, strung them together in such a way she had no idea what happened when!

Ok, she got a 99% in history, pretty good, eh? then, just yesterday, she asked was the Civil War between North and South China? Or was that North and South Vietnam? she's lost as a goose, yet according to the school system, an honor student, very "proficient" in history!
Did she study the Civil War in that history class?
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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I've generally been impressed with the social studies curriculum at my kids' public schools, but I think it's challenging to create a program that engages an increasingly diverse student body. As I stated before, there are certain periods of history that I enjoy studying and recall easily (i.e., Colonial times), but I wouldn't consider another person uneducated because they can't explain the significance of King Phillip's War or remember who was involved.

What I do find discouraging is evidence that high school graduates are receiving an inadequate civics education. I think knowing how our government is organized and how it functions, along with what comprises our nation's founding documents and how and why they have been amended over time is essential for productive citizenship regardless of an individual's ultimate vocation.

BTW, jimh, my seventh grader was able to describe the difference between direct and representative democracy, and she was also able to give examples of each, so maybe our public schools aren't doing that badly after all.


You should be pleased, but unfortunately, I am afraid your child is the exception and not the rule. Having raised 2 kids myself and having monitored their homework, I am familiar with the methods used to teach public school and for the most part they are a complete failure.

History is nothing more than a story, and should be taught as such. People love stories.
The rote memorization of dates and names often without being in the proper context of their real relevance bore kids into a coma.
But then….. that is exactly what it is designed to do.
The fact is that everything that has happened in history is relevant to what is happening today, but schools do a notoriously poor job of teaching that.
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Old 06-20-2011, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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The original poster has the gall to blame this on teachers?

What planet are you living on?

You are not a teacher and have no clue what it's like to be a history teacher. I can speak eloquently on the subject because I taught history for 9 years in an inner-city HS before moving up to the University level.

I was not allowed to speak about American icons like Neil Armstrong, Charles Lindbergh or even Benjamin Franklin because two of them were "dead white guys" and my principal believed that Neil Armstrong was "never on the moon, that was a hoax." Deal with that.

So before you run your mouth and idiotically blame teachers for the ignorance of present-day students, try spending one hour in the classroom as a history teacher.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You should be pleased, but unfortunately, I am afraid your child is the exception and not the rule. Having raised 2 kids myself and having monitored their homework, I am familiar with the methods used to teach public school and for the most part they are a complete failure.

History is nothing more than a story, and should be taught as such. People love stories.
The rote memorization of dates and names often without being in the proper context of their real relevance bore kids into a coma.
But then….. that is exactly what it is designed to do.
The fact is that everything that has happened in history is relevant to what is happening today, but schools do a notoriously poor job of teaching that.
That's about the way I was taught history back in the 50s and 60s, the "good old days".
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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The original poster has the gall to blame this on teachers?

What planet are you living on?

You are not a teacher and have no clue what it's like to be a history teacher. I can speak eloquently on the subject because I taught history for 9 years in an inner-city HS before moving up to the University level.

I was not allowed to speak about American icons like Neil Armstrong, Charles Lindbergh or even Benjamin Franklin because two of them were "dead white guys" and my principal believed that Neil Armstrong was "never on the moon, that was a hoax." Deal with that.

So before you run your mouth and idiotically blame teachers for the ignorance of present-day students, try spending one hour in the classroom as a history teacher.
I am living on this planet, the same one in which as you admit, teachers are collaborators in a dishonest and biased system. While the teacher may not agree with the administrators who set the curriculum, they still teach it. That means they are just a guilty as the people who set the agenda.
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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The original poster has the gall to blame this on teachers?

What planet are you living on?

You are not a teacher and have no clue what it's like to be a history teacher. I can speak eloquently on the subject because I taught history for 9 years in an inner-city HS before moving up to the University level.

I was not allowed to speak about American icons like Neil Armstrong, Charles Lindbergh or even Benjamin Franklin because two of them were "dead white guys" and my principal believed that Neil Armstrong was "never on the moon, that was a hoax." Deal with that.

So before you run your mouth and idiotically blame teachers for the ignorance of present-day students, try spending one hour in the classroom as a history teacher.
This must vary by state. The states I've worked in (not as a teacher, but in an affiliated field) there have been history standards to be covered.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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Anybody dumb enough to believe in the moon landing conspiracy does not belong in the education field.
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Old 06-21-2011, 06:16 AM
 
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I think my kids got a much better education in history then I ever did. Our school district requires history to be taught 5 days a week, K-12. Four years of history is a graduation requirement in HS and right now there are three AP history classes available - US, Government and European. They intend to add World History next fall. My only complaint is one that another poster mentioned - not enough mid-eastern history. I think our kids did 8 years of American history and then 4 years on the rest of the world.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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Its the way they teach it nowdays. Instead of simply teaching history, they want to get "creative" with it. For example, in my dd history class, they learned all about "significant documents" and lumped in the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, US constitution, strung them together in such a way she had no idea what happened when!

Ok, she got a 99% in history, pretty good, eh? then, just yesterday, she asked was the Civil War between North and South China? Or was that North and South Vietnam? she's lost as a goose, yet according to the school system, an honor student, very "proficient" in history!
I'm speechless..

Well, THAT, or your daughter thinks in a more-worldly fashion; it would never occur to me to think of the Civil War in the context of China..

She might be a little "lost", but you can never accuse her of not thinking "outside the box"...
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