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Old 07-01-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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Summarize the link and I will read if interested. Otherwise it is a waste of posting. Links are to substantiate a position if called upon for reference not to take the readers time from the thread. C-D is a forum to express ideas across a wide number of subjects. A person who begins a thread (or responds) should post the necessary text to make the point of thread. This is not a link swapping forum.
Maybe on a CD forum verifying your source before commenting is the norm but in science it is not. Which makes your comment on the "validity" of the science even more ironic. Oh well.

And BTW, I did summarize the link, mine and the OPs. Multiple times.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Hmm. I went to grade school from 1970 to 1982. Three TV channels + PBS. No computers. No cell phone or texting. No cable or satellite television. No Play Station or whatever is used. No internet,etc No television after 9pm unless it was Roots or Holocaust or Shogun or Rich Man Poor Man,etc. At least not until entering high school.

All that meant more hours invested in home work and independent reading at night and actually having to to go the library to research when needing to produce some sort of report or science project.

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I got through grade school twice as fast as you did, it only took me 6 years, in the '40s. We just played outside, and went home when the street lights came on. When we got home, Mom and Dad were there (both of them) and we could talk to them, and sometimes we had household chores we had to do so our parents would keep on liking us, but we learned to do things that way, and to cope with responsibility.

We sat in school all day with teachers who rambled on about things that interested them, and a lot of it rubbed off, because they were intelligent and educated grownups who knew things and had done things, and we alll wanted to learn to be grownups and do cool things. We learned to read so we could read comic books, which, believe it or not, was reading, and everyone could do it. Then after school, we had socialization time (aka play), with the people that we had to learn to live with and interrelate to socially and cooperatively, and learn what happens when you don't.

I think grownups have amnesia, and forgot what it was like to be kids, and that's why they screw up the schools so bad, and parenting even worse.

Am I rambling?

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Old 07-05-2011, 02:52 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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According to the article, US teachers spend 1097 hours a year teaching...

Any thoughts on these statistics? ....(You call these statistics 0

U.S. Teachers Work the Longest Hours But Students Stay Average - Yahoo! News

Thanks for reading
This article is really whacked ""One conclusion to be drawn from this is, as the Journal writes, "American teachers are the most productive among major developed countries."

HELLO... USA Edu is broken, can't be fixed (bandaged) needs reinvented or better yet, OUTSOURCED to a country who has demonstrated the ability to get RESULTS. Teachers in a many countries have 40-50 students in the AM and 40-50 MORE in the PM (6 days / week). Less than 1/2 half the teachers and 1/2 the schools needed. NOW to get rid of 80% of the administrators (often were FAILED teachers).

Broken, yes, USA EDU is broken. Do we need to continue reporting that?

You will note the referral in the article that we (USA) is teaching to the lowest common denominator in our schools.... Get the Gov involved, and stuff goes down the tube. (better outsource Healthcare too !!!)
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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It seems the problem is in WHAT is being taught. If the kids were instructed in academics and logic skills, instead of in Liberal Ideology, perhaps we would be more competitive with nations who don't spend so much time brainwashing the easily-influenced idealistic young.

It takes many years for experience to show us that government is corrupt and evil, and works with Big Business to turn the working class into slaves. Obviously this must be offset by a continuing quest to create new, liberal voters.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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It seems the problem is in WHAT is being taught. If the kids were instructed in academics and logic skills, instead of in Liberal Ideology, perhaps we would be more competitive with nations who don't spend so much time brainwashing the easily-influenced idealistic young.

It takes many years for experience to show us that government is corrupt and evil, and works with Big Business to turn the working class into slaves. Obviously this must be offset by a continuing quest to create new, liberal voters.
Your arms must be tired from being a Fox News water carrier; take it to the Political Forum
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Maybe on a CD forum verifying your source before commenting is the norm but in science it is not. Which makes your comment on the "validity" of the science even more ironic. Oh well.

And BTW, I did summarize the link, mine and the OPs. Multiple times.

No. You summarized what you wished to draw attention to. Even the OP agreed that it could have been worded differently. But I see you feel the need to pander to your C-D audience.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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It seems the problem is in WHAT is being taught. If the kids were instructed in academics and logic skills, instead of in Liberal Ideology, perhaps we would be more competitive with nations who don't spend so much time brainwashing the easily-influenced idealistic young.

It takes many years for experience to show us that government is corrupt and evil, and works with Big Business to turn the working class into slaves. Obviously this must be offset by a continuing quest to create new, liberal voters.
You do realize that other countries that teach better than us have a stronger buy in to the local idealogy right? That's why they are able to teach better.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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It seems the problem is in WHAT is being taught. If the kids were instructed in academics and logic skills, instead of in Liberal Ideology, perhaps we would be more competitive with nations who don't spend so much time brainwashing the easily-influenced idealistic young.

It takes many years for experience to show us that government is corrupt and evil, and works with Big Business to turn the working class into slaves. Obviously this must be offset by a continuing quest to create new, liberal voters.

Perhaps if they'd stop all the busy work, all the arts and crafts, all the goofy projects the parents end up doing because its beyond the skill level of the grade (hey, its 4th grade, not MA in Fine Arts)

I hoped they would get away from the crayons, markers, etc in middle school, but....it never ends. I would like to see a supply list that doesn't require crayons, markers, etc.........when does it end? Am I expected to buy crayolas and glue sticks when they are in 12th grade? What's college lie nowdays, more crayons?
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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It seems the problem is in WHAT is being taught. If the kids were instructed in academics and logic skills, instead of in Liberal Ideology, perhaps we would be more competitive with nations who don't spend so much time brainwashing the easily-influenced idealistic young.

It takes many years for experience to show us that government is corrupt and evil, and works with Big Business to turn the working class into slaves. Obviously this must be offset by a continuing quest to create new, liberal voters.
what is taught is important but also who is teaching? we are importing more teachers from other countries and this is the result:



Prince George’s County Public Schools agrees to pay $4.2 million in back wages for violations of H-1B temporary foreign worker program
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division has obtained an agreement for Maryland's Prince George's County Public Schools system to pay $4,222,146 in back wages due 1,044 workers to resolve violations of the H-1B temporary foreign worker program. Investigators from the department found that PGCPS illegally reduced the wages of the H-1B workers by requiring them to pay fees that the school system was required to pay.

The H-1B program allows employers to hire foreign professionals in certain specialty occupations to work temporarily in the U.S. Workers hired under the H-1B program must be paid at least the same wage rates and benefits as those paid to U.S. workers doing the same job in the same area, so that the wages of similarly employed U.S. workers are not adversely affected.

"The Labor Department has the responsibility for ensuring that employers who use the H-1B program follow the law and do not place U.S. workers at a disadvantage to H-1B workers," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "We are pleased this investigation has been resolved with workers paid all the back wages to which they are entitled."

Due to the willful nature of some of the violations, PGCPS also has agreed to pay $100,000 in civil money penalties

so taxpayers not only get saddled with teachers from other countries but with penalties for those teachers being underpaid~

that is seriously messed up.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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That is pretty messed up. If our teachers are getting laid-off due to budget cuts, then why are we paying money to hire teachers from other countries?
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