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Old 07-14-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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Excellent idea. Maybe not quite a bootcamp, but definitely strict discipline and penalties. The K-12 crowd are not adults and have naive ideas about their goals in life, let alone the willpower to carry them out. Get the parents and politicians, plus special interest groups, out of the schools. Stop worrying about student self-esteem and more about reading & writing.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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What? lol
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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[quote=Mircea;19994320]It's an excellent idea and one beyond your comprehension.

Public schools need uniforms and dress standards for hair and jewelry similar to the military.

Yeah, in the army and marines they shave your head and everyone wears the same uniform.

Why?[/quote]

Because when you sign on the dotted line, you have willingly agreed to hand your a$$ over to the US Government, and the US Government therefore owns it and you will do whatever the US Government tells you to.

That's why.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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We should make our public schools like marine corps boot camp because there won't be many @#$! heads in our youth today. Not like the crawling through mud and obstacle course but the way the discipline and punishment like the drill Sargent's instills on their recruits....

What do you think?
I think its as bad or as good as most educational ideas these days.

What goal of boot camp should be a goal of public education?

The major goal of boot camp is to create obedient well trained soldiers. I am not sure obedience is a good thing to be teaching teenagers.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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We should make our public schools like marine corps boot camp because there won't be many @#$! heads in our youth today. Not like the crawling through mud and obstacle course but the way the discipline and punishment like the drill Sargent's instills on their recruits....

What do you think?

I think it's more of a societal thing that crawling through mud and obstacle courses won't necessarily fix.

Yes, a lot of kids are spoiled rotton; however, my DH (who is in today's military) thinks there are plenty of fresh-from-bootcamp recruits who are @#$! heads, and part of his job is to mentor them into becoming relatively respectable people.

He knows almost instantly who's worthy of his time and who isn't. He's gone to bat for the ones who were, and they've turned out to be great human beings after a little 'education' from the School of Hard Knocks, and the Institute of Quit Being a @#$! head, or You're Out - End of Discussion - Enjoy Your New Job At McDonalds.

I'm not sure that forcing that kind of training onto high schoolers is necessarily a good thing.

I think it depends on the individual kid.

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Old 07-15-2011, 03:56 PM
 
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Dang, I'm glad I'm out of school because I would look like poop in that whitewall haircut.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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That is overdoing it, but students should face real consequences (not detention or a call home) for wasting tax dollars with truancy, vandalism, or interfering with classroom learning.
One word: Parents.

They're the one who need to be held responsible. They expect the schools to do their work for them.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Excellent idea. Maybe not quite a bootcamp, but definitely strict discipline and penalties. The K-12 crowd are not adults and have naive ideas about their goals in life, let alone the willpower to carry them out. Get the parents and politicians, plus special interest groups, out of the schools. Stop worrying about student self-esteem and more about reading & writing.
You need the parents involved in the school. Good parents will create good students. That is the biggest problem these days.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Syracuse IS Central New York.
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No. Not all kids need the same degree of discipline. Those who already DON'T need this level of discipline would be actually harmed by this. They'd essentially live in fear of authority figures, which is not exactly conductive to learning. Punish the guilty, not the innocent, and there are plenty of those who are innocent.

However, I do think that parents must be held much more accountable for their children's actions. Whether it's misbehaving or poor academic performance, the parents should be accountable.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I think it would make sense to have a normal, congenial school environment, and those students who rock the boat or disrupt the educational scenery get transferred to a school with boot camp characteristics. It would make no sense to put diligent students who behave them selves in a boot camp environment.
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