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Old 07-25-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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How much should teachers' involvement in before/after school activities factor in their evaluations? Should teachers be penalized for having minimal involvement in activities outside their classrooms?
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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They count here in NC. The newest rubric has several out of classroom standards including committe participation.

It's not a great percentage.
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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They shouldn't but they do. Because I have lab preps, I do as little as possible outside of the classroom. I really can't commit to anything before/after school so I help at football games and dances when I can. Maybe in a few years, if I'm still here, I'll do something but, for now, it's all I can do to keep up on what I need to do to teach.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The new evaluation that MSDE is cramming down our throats has a percentage of the evaluation based on activity sponsorship. This is separate from the committee category.
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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I think teachers have enough to do in the classroom. However I understand their job is not limited to the classroom, so I suppose it is fair to evaluate that portion of the job too.
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:46 PM
 
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I teach in a district that really emphasizes test scores, or "achievement," so if a teacher tutors after school and their students test scores are higher because of that then great. But if another teacher can get the same test scores without doing anything after school, then they are viewed equally on the achievement rubric which determines pay.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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I don't think we should. Some of us have a life outside of work and want to go home to our families. Why should we be penalized for that? They just officially extended our work day (I already worked those hours, so no biggie to me) so now we work 8.5 hours a day with a 30 minute lunch. That's a 40-hr work week right there. When you start requiring us to work more than that to sponsor clubs and teams as part of our evaluations, I think that is wrong. Yet, I know it is done.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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I don't think we should. Some of us have a life outside of work and want to go home to our families. Why should we be penalized for that? They just officially extended our work day (I already worked those hours, so no biggie to me) so now we work 8.5 hours a day with a 30 minute lunch. That's a 40-hr work week right there. When you start requiring us to work more than that to sponsor clubs and teams as part of our evaluations, I think that is wrong. Yet, I know it is done.
I don't think it's really penalizing.... it's not like they dock your pay if you don't work additional activities. I think it's fair that teachers who choose to go the extra mile be rewarded. After-school activities are one way to go the extra mile.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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I don't think it's really penalizing.... it's not like they dock your pay if you don't work additional activities. I think it's fair that teachers who choose to go the extra mile be rewarded. After-school activities are one way to go the extra mile.

Reward? Most after school activities, sponsorships are paid. What's being implemented is the teacher evaluation be partially based on participation in sponsorship. Evaluations generally don't mean more money or any other reward past retention.

The reality is that many schools don't have enough activities to have each staff member assigned. Plus, and many people outside education don't realize this, in many systems the membership in committees has grown exponentially. I was out of the classroom last year 18 days for meetings for the 3 committees of which I'm a member. That's not counting the 4 days I was at another school on a Middle States visitation (also required), the 8 or 9 sick days (real unusual for me) I took or the 4 days I was doing AP testing.

And I'm not unusual, several of my colleagues will be out 1 or 2 days every week for meetings. Administrators are even worse, especially when you have ones that volunteer for every committee so they won't have to go to the school.

None of the above count the required collaborative planning, staff or department meetings.

And you know what, with only a couple exceptions, every meeting I went to last year was worthless.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Reward? Most after school activities, sponsorships are paid. What's being implemented is the teacher evaluation be partially based on participation in sponsorship. Evaluations generally don't mean more money or any other reward past retention.

The reality is that many schools don't have enough activities to have each staff member assigned. Plus, and many people outside education don't realize this, in many systems the membership in committees has grown exponentially. I was out of the classroom last year 18 days for meetings for the 3 committees of which I'm a member. That's not counting the 4 days I was at another school on a Middle States visitation (also required), the 8 or 9 sick days (real unusual for me) I took or the 4 days I was doing AP testing.

And I'm not unusual, several of my colleagues will be out 1 or 2 days every week for meetings. Administrators are even worse, especially when you have ones that volunteer for every committee so they won't have to go to the school.

None of the above count the required collaborative planning, staff or department meetings.

And you know what, with only a couple exceptions, every meeting I went to last year was worthless.
I see. The system is flawed. I didn't realize there is additional pay for after school activities.
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