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Old 09-14-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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that is comprehensive evaluation. I had no idea what to do and talked to his neurologist. He wrote up the letter and we had one requesting school committee to perform the test. His IQ is about 135. Some books say that IQ test is not really reliable. Howeevr, since his test result came out so high even he sometimes could not complete school work, they voted not to do anything for him by that time. He still did well in fourth grade and passed state standard test with top ranking, but dropped to too low grade in fifth grade. Thanks for your link since this morning I thought about it.
Use the 504 to all of your advantage. You might get a lot of resistance on it- legally, the 504 only needs to be used to accomodate him to make him up to par with his peers. So your definition of "low" on ELA might be "average" compared to the regular population, so no accomodations might not really be needed. His intelligence is able to compensate for the underlying disability, and often masks it quite well. I have a 504 for a gifted child as well, but I am lucky in that my school administration is clueless on federal law, so they accomodate him even though his academics have never suffered.

My son have the same issues with writing. Writing takes creative processing, and with gifted children, they tend to have strengths of one side of the brain, and weaknesses on the other. So if he is strong in mathematics, and has memorized many vocabulary words, he's left brain dominant like mine. He'll be able to handle the mechanisms of writing like spelling, punctuation, and grammar, but the story won't flow, they're not intuitive or subjective. Don't know how to fix that...... if you find out, let me know!
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Old 09-14-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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Use the 504 to all of your advantage. You might get a lot of resistance on it- legally, the 504 only needs to be used to accomodate him to make him up to par with his peers. So your definition of "low" on ELA might be "average" compared to the regular population, so no accomodations might not really be needed. His intelligence is able to compensate for the underlying disability, and often masks it quite well. I have a 504 for a gifted child as well, but I am lucky in that my school administration is clueless on federal law, so they accomodate him even though his academics have never suffered.

My son have the same issues with writing. Writing takes creative processing, and with gifted children, they tend to have strengths of one side of the brain, and weaknesses on the other. So if he is strong in mathematics, and has memorized many vocabulary words, he's left brain dominant like mine. He'll be able to handle the mechanisms of writing like spelling, punctuation, and grammar, but the story won't flow, they're not intuitive or subjective. Don't know how to fix that...... if you find out, let me know!
I am so happy to have you to talk here since many my friends or co workers do not understand about it. I've just send email to couselor and made appointment to see him to talk about SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICE. My coworker told me not to do that since they would label him till college. Oh my god, I have to think about this because we pay more than 12k a year for school tax. Maybe I will talk to his Neurologist and get private one for him.
Mine has exactly the same issues. He is upset and tries so hard but can not write as well as other peers. He has big problem with creative writing. I will let you know after let him work with a specialist one. My son has problem with focus in school also. Neurologist gave him medication for hyperactive. My brother in law, a pharmacist did not want him to take it, he said that my son is not really ADHD, because he can sit down and concentrate to work pages by pages of mathbook by himself. He does not jump, act like hyperactive or forget his homework. The medication could damage his brain. He sometimes is like minor autism, but not really autism. He likes to repeat his answers when he talks to me sometimes. He is very shy and hides himself in public. He hates to dress up and very bad with following directions when he was younger. He also likes to talk about death during his 7-9 years old. He is talented in music, learns piano so fast. His first year in music school was unbelievable, he finished a piano book about 40-50 pages in 3-4 weeks. Every week, I only paid 30 minutes private lesson. The teacher just talked about notes, some details in the songs, she played that song one time, he played after exactly the same she had done without practicing. He does not need to learn at all. Right now, he could play a detail classical song better than a high school girl who is taking the same book with the same teacher. My gosh, I did not know that he was a gifted kid at all. Shame on me.

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Old 09-14-2011, 03:10 PM
 
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I would recommend getting a correct diagnosis before speaking to a school counselor. Find a different neurologist if you don't feel comfortable with the first diagnosis. No offense to your brother in law, but I would not override the advise of a neurologist with the advice of a pharmacist. That's like ignoring my lawyer because my cousin is a paralegal. Not to say the lawyer can't be wrong, but for that I will seek another lawyer's advice. Not to say that I would recommend the drugs, my son is also diagnosed with ADD (does not include the hyperactive either, ADHD is the condition with hyperactivity) and we opt not to do the drugs either. But we do try to deal with it in other ways.
He is obviously twice exceptional, and its probably going to be a long road getting him correctly diagnosed, because as I said, his intelligence will mask and compensate a lot. I would definitley have him checked for Aspergers.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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Because he has Doctor's note, they put him in 504 program . However, I dont think that is enough to help him. He needs more challenges in math and science, but he needs help alot with writing. I dont see they help enough. They give him more time for writing, but he always complains he gets stuck. His problem is he can not organize idea to write. Moreover, he has no idea what to write about when he has large vocabulary. I don't know what to do
Each TRULY gifted child is unique. You need to become his advocate and his cheerleader to help him with the coping of all the things that he will encounter with society. Let him know that NO MATTER what you will be there and the problems of life that he sees DO NOT HAVE TO BE SOLVED by your son. Life has some mysteries. Your love and his ability to love others can take care of a lot in life.

Our son sounds similar, but his verbal and ability to write are amazing! He has been putting stories together since he was 3 years old. (maybe because we put in "Your Story Hour" tapes/CD's before sleeping at night and now listens to "Adventures in Odyssey" now that he is older)

He doesn't know how to read social cues and disappears in some conversations when he "drifts off" in his own world. He has gotten better in the last 2 years though (hes 14)

We put him in a regular HS after homeschooling for 9 years. He hasn't made too many friends, but is getting to know 2-3 kids at school. I have told him that he doesn't need to know everyone or even like everyone, but he must treat them with respect.

We recently started taking him to martial arts, since I figured that is one arena that RESPECT is taught and that he can learn some physical skills (he has never been interested in any sports) and learn some social skills to interact with others. (been good so far!)

Maybe you and he can look into some after school programs or something else like Civil Air patrol, anything to grab his attention and take him into the world on a gentle schedule.

On HOAGies site, there are some online communities that you AND your son should look into.

Hoagies' Gifted: Gifted Online Communities

Some ideas to learn more about social behavior for gifted:

Problems of Gifted Children - Social and Emotional Problems Affecting Gifted Children

NAGC :: Home
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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I would recommend getting a correct diagnosis before speaking to a school counselor. Find a different neurologist if you don't feel comfortable with the first diagnosis. No offense to your brother in law, but I would not override the advise of a neurologist with the advice of a pharmacist. That's like ignoring my lawyer because my cousin is a paralegal. Not to say the lawyer can't be wrong, but for that I will seek another lawyer's advice. Not to say that I would recommend the drugs, my son is also diagnosed with ADD (does not include the hyperactive either, ADHD is the condition with hyperactivity) and we opt not to do the drugs either. But we do try to deal with it in other ways.
He is obviously twice exceptional, and its probably going to be a long road getting him correctly diagnosed, because as I said, his intelligence will mask and compensate a lot. I would definitley have him checked for Aspergers.
Thanks. Have you ever get a specialist tutor for your son ? I don't know if it works well, but want to try for a while first.
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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Each TRULY gifted child is unique. You need to become his advocate and his cheerleader to help him with the coping of all the things that he will encounter with society. Let him know that NO MATTER what you will be there and the problems of life that he sees DO NOT HAVE TO BE SOLVED by your son. Life has some mysteries. Your love and his ability to love others can take care of a lot in life.

Our son sounds similar, but his verbal and ability to write are amazing! He has been putting stories together since he was 3 years old. (maybe because we put in "Your Story Hour" tapes/CD's before sleeping at night and now listens to "Adventures in Odyssey" now that he is older)

He doesn't know how to read social cues and disappears in some conversations when he "drifts off" in his own world. He has gotten better in the last 2 years though (hes 14)

We put him in a regular HS after homeschooling for 9 years. He hasn't made too many friends, but is getting to know 2-3 kids at school. I have told him that he doesn't need to know everyone or even like everyone, but he must treat them with respect.

We recently started taking him to martial arts, since I figured that is one arena that RESPECT is taught and that he can learn some physical skills (he has never been interested in any sports) and learn some social skills to interact with others. (been good so far!)

Maybe you and he can look into some after school programs or something else like Civil Air patrol, anything to grab his attention and take him into the world on a gentle schedule.

On HOAGies site, there are some online communities that you AND your son should look into.

Hoagies' Gifted: Gifted Online Communities

Some ideas to learn more about social behavior for gifted:

Problems of Gifted Children - Social and Emotional Problems Affecting Gifted Children

NAGC :: Home
My son has many friends. There are two boys who treat him as their brothers. They are so closed that made us, their parents closed too. He participates or interacts to others very well. Look like the big thing is writing. He has music school, Tae kwon do class for years. I do not have any experience to raise up a gifted kid and sometimes I can not sleep just because I don't know what really good to do for him or help him. Reading more than 10 books, I'm still confused about how he really is. I'm in the middle of him and my husband who does not understand him as well as I do and likes to say something such " you are smart why you do it or you're supposed to do better in school."
I think homeschool is the best for him. however, I'm not able to do it since English is my second language plus I don't know anything about homeschool such as : how does it work, how and who evaluate the kid's knowledge, how I know my son studying enough for grade by grade ...

God bless you and yours
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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Contact the person in charge of pupil personnel services. Also contact the school guidance counselor. Stress that you are looking for resources. Depending on the state you are in, your child has MANY rights as a gifted student. Although 504's are not generally a part of the gifted IEP and in some states if you have a 504 that takes priority over the gifted IEP. Do not stop until you hear the same thing at least 3 times from 3 different sources. Check your state's department of education website for gifted education, it is often spelled out as to which services they must provide.

If the child gets into IEP, the school labels him as LD and eliminates him/her from some of fields or that child has no right to take some advance classes if he/she wants in HS ? My co worker says me that I better get help from outside of school ortherwise, my son gets in trouble lately even thr. college, some of college does not want to accept any student with history of LD. Is it true?
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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If the child gets into IEP, the school labels him as LD and eliminates him/her from some of fields or that child has no right to take some advance classes if he/she wants in HS ? My co worker says me that I better get help from outside of school ortherwise, my son gets in trouble lately even thr. college, some of college does not want to accept any student with history of LD. Is it true?
NO!

LD does not keep a child out of advanced classes. Nor does a history of LD keep kids out of college although some colleges may not have good accommodations for them.

Kids are kept out of advanced classes because they don't have the grades in the prerequisites though, so a child who wants to take advanced classes needs to make sure they take the classes they need to do well in those advanced classes. Having the right kind of help if you have an learning disability makes taking advanced classes more possible not less possible.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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If anybody with gifted kids is interested; here is a link to a John’s Hopkins site: http://cty.jhu.edu/ts/grades26.html
They also have a diagnostic and counseling service: http://cty.jhu.edu/gifted/dcc/index.html
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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If you can get an IEP, get it, its only an advantage for your child. No, it will not prevent him from getting into anything, as that would be illegal. Its just most kids with 504 or IEP cannot get into those advanced classed BECAUSE of the underlying disability, it does not prevent them into getting into advanced classes DISPITE their learning disability.

No, I have never done tutoring, but I've considered it.
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