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Old 09-27-2011, 08:04 PM
 
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Apparently, not being able to run to the bathroom constantly is a REALLY big issue for some folks. I've seen more than one teacher post about this. Perhaps I was just blessed with a spacious bladder, but I've NEVER found it to be a problem.

 
Old 09-27-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Apparently, not being able to run to the bathroom constantly is a REALLY big issue for some folks. I've seen more than one teacher post about this. Perhaps I was just blessed with a spacious bladder, but I've NEVER found it to be a problem.
For teachers with certain medical conditions, having to go frequently is a problem. It is not a good thing to have to call the office to have someone come to cover your class while you go. On the other hand, there is usually someone walking past in the hall who is kind enough to pause on their errand for a minute or two. I can usually duck into the RR after the hall is clear and the bell still has two more minutes. The assistant principal is usually in the hall as well if someone needs to watch the students start their bellringer. The teacher across the hall sent someone to get me today because he couldn't wait another five minutes.

Teachers are notorious for having problems relating to not being able to go when necessary, not constantly. At the very least, the administration should enable teachers to go at lunch. At our school, teachers must accompany their students to lunch and remain with them. I take advantage of a high degree of supervision to heat my lunch and go then. It is one thing that I have told the administration that I need to be effective.

I think that taking care of bodily functions is such a basic aspect of humanity that not being allowed to do so when needed is an affront. But teachers shouldn't forget that a lot of jobs seriously limit how and when to go. The last time I checked, truck drivers and heart surgeons couldn't just go whenever. There are jobs where usual working conditions simply don't apply. Teaching is one of them. Otherwise, I would have lunch alone in my room rather than supervising kids while trying to eat enough in 10 minutes to sustain me the rest of the day. And I'm not talking about just watching, but having to intervene around 2-4 times every day. That's the kind of working condition that most professional people don't deal with. It's the least favorite part of my job. And I'm going to go to the restroom at lunch. Period.

Be glad that your bladder is both spacious and quiet! It may change with age, but you may be blessed forever. I used to be just fine, but getting older has changed things more than I expected. It makes me a bit more understanding with students who say they didn't have to go when the urge sometimes hits me out of the blue. You have to develop a sense of who really needs to go based on logistics and who is just being irresponsible. That's part of my job that I don't really mind at all.
 
Old 09-28-2011, 03:15 AM
 
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You also mentioned specialists.

I hold no brief for principals but the nature of the job has changed over the past couple or three decades. Or the new breed of principals is in place. They're no longer old Mr. Smith who started at the school as a teacher (and who may have even graduated from it) and moved up when the old principall retired and Smith was the logical choice to replace him.

The new breed are naked careerists who became administrators for the money, not the belief they can make things better. Most don't know the names of most of the students, even in a small school. Some don't even know the names of their staff members. The teachers are interchangeable cogs in the wheel and it doesn't matter what they teach or what they're good at as long as they fill a hole in the schedule.

The new breed are numbers crunchers who spend their days in their office on their Blackberries and watching closed circuit TV of the hallways. When they're in the building and not out at meetings or networking that is.

Their favorite saying is, "I look bad so what are you going to do to fix it".

How do I know this? I watch. And also, I took admin classes with these guys, I just stayed in the classroom.
Sure glad our kids don't go to your school....our school isn't ANYTHING like what you describe. Oh, and here, administrators have to have at LEAST 5 years of classroom teaching to become an administrator. No school will hire you without classroom experience.

Our principal is FANTASTIC. He or one of the assistants attends every activity at the school, football games, band concerts, etc. He is frequently seen at various practices that happen in the summer (marching band, football, etc.). Our grocery stores do a fundraiser where kids from various teams can go in and bag groceries for tip money. He ALWAYS shows up and gives generous tips. While I can't say that he knows all 2200 kids in the school, he does know a LOT of the kids. We have always said that we would prefer that the principal did NOT know our kids personally (but he does because our kids are friends with his son).
 
Old 09-28-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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Apparently, not being able to run to the bathroom constantly is a REALLY big issue for some folks. I've seen more than one teacher post about this. Perhaps I was just blessed with a spacious bladder, but I've NEVER found it to be a problem.
I had to read this a few times before I could believe it. Yeah, I would say going to the bathroom when needed is a big deal for most people.
 
Old 09-28-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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Apparently, not being able to run to the bathroom constantly is a REALLY big issue for some folks. I've seen more than one teacher post about this. Perhaps I was just blessed with a spacious bladder, but I've NEVER found it to be a problem.
It isn't constantly, its ever.

Even as a high school teacher! I teach for 4 1/2 hrs straight without the ability for anyone to relieve me so I can relieve myself. I can only imagine what it is like for those elementary teachers whose schedules mean there are not specials until the end of the day.

Health wise it isn't a great situation.
 
Old 09-28-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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SAT Scores Decline as More Students Take Test - Bloomberg

This article states "The average reading score of 497 marked the lowest since data became available in 1972, according to a report released today by the College Board, which administers the exam".
The teaching establishment has had it's own way too long, and the evidence that their way, is the wrong way is overwhelming.
It is time to go to a voucher system and bring some competition to education.

Thought I had stumbled onto another school/bathroom thread again! Here is the OP ^. Let's get back to it please. Any other off topic comments after this will be deleted and infractions may be issued.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:15 AM
 
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Well, I just quit teaching science to inner city high school students after 17 years. Since it has nothing to do with families or the students themselves, I am sure achievement will just keep going up and up as more of us get tired of dealing with the crap.

Your wish is my command.


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SAT Scores Decline as More Students Take Test - Bloomberg

The teaching establishment has had it's own way too long, and the evidence that their way, is the wrong way is overwhelming.
It is time to go to a voucher system and bring some competition to education.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:33 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Well, I just quit teaching science to inner city high school students after 17 years. Since it has nothing to do with families or the students themselves, I am sure achievement will just keep going up and up as more of us get tired of dealing with the crap.

Your wish is my command.
Like you, I'm a science teacher at a large urban HS, and I'm approaching retirement.

This forum seems to attract quite a few education malcontents who exhibit little analytical thinking and cling to simplistic talking points as their preferred "solution" to a complex issue. Blaming teachers is their favorite sound bite.

I suspect many of them were poor students in their own time. And that was some teacher's fault too, no doubt.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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Personally, I am not thrilled with the way my children's elementary school has handled reading education. While I understand the argument against whole class instruction, and small reading groups with direct instruction seem to make more sense, my kids received only one small group instruction per week! That just isn't enough. The rest of their reading time in class was silent reading, but once a week makes it very difficult for a teacher to assess a child's reading ability.

It seems the majority of teaching reading is left to the parents. I don't blame the teachers as our district requires at least 2 hours of Math instruction a day nthe emphasis is definitely on Math and leaves little time for reading instruction.

Again, JMO, I really think the dreaded reading log/response is killing the joy of reading for kids. My dd hated reading all through elementary. I couldn't understand why, but when she entered middle school and informed me, HAPPILY, that she no longer had to keep a log and write responses on her reading, I began to understand. Since middle school, my dd now LOVES to read and thoroughly enjoys it! I no longer have to push, cajole, threaten and/or bribe her to read!

Think about it. Those who love to read, imagine having to write about what you read 3, 4 sometimes 5 days a week after you put the book down. Do you think you would still love reading when you knew every reading session had to end in a chore?
 
Old 09-29-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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Most kids with a love of reading come from homes where reading is commonplace and presented as a fun activity, where parents read for enjoyment and children are read to as bonding time. How it's done in school actually carries very little weight if the above is in place.
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