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Old 09-27-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: southwestern USA
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I agree with some posters that expressly forbidding students to carry cell phones is the wrong tact. Kids today are feisty, and if they are told not to carry their phones or i pads into class, they will anyway.

The correct approach is for the schools to warn parents and teachers that if kids are caught using cell phones during class for any reason, they will have to turn the phones in to the teacher and the parents will be forced to pick the devices after school.

Parents who are busy running their households, working, and being involved in countless other things will not be thrilled with their kids if they have to retrieve their phones.

In this manner you do not treat kids like infants----you give them the option to take their phones to school and use them in a responsible manner. If they dont, they turn their phones in to the teacher and they have to deal with their parents reactions after school.

Kids need to have some rope to work with----if they run out rope than it is up to parents to get involved in enforcing regulations and standards with their kids.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Firstly, I never said what you have quoted me as saying ^^. I never said such items were "just a convenience" or that people who know how to live without them are "smart." If you are going to attack my argument, then you had better understand it first.

That said, I will restate it: it is not healthy to cultivate a dependency [on technology], especially when it results in a loss of capability or an obsessive relationship. Simply using a computer is not the same as forgetting how to write b/c one has developed a dependency on that computer, or using a computer to check one's e-mail every 5 minutes.

And while it is great to have running water and electricity, everyone should know how to live without it to be prepared for emergencies in which both are no longer available so that one can continue to live.

Secondly, referring to an argument as "silly" in a post is gratuitous when you don't even state reasons for disagreeing with the argument but, rather, just insult it instead. It also is an indirect insult to the person who stated the argument. I am respectful and courteous to other posters and I expect the same, especially b/c those are the rules of the forum.

Hence, the next time you are going to disagree with someone's argument, disagree with the actual argument, rather than your tangential interpretation of it, and please refrain from making rude comments about the argument and/or the person who stated it.

How many kids do you know that this has actually happened to?
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I agree with some posters that expressly forbidding students to carry cell phones is the wrong tact. Kids today are feisty, and if they are told not to carry their phones or i pads into class, they will anyway.
"Today's feisty kids" have to follow ALL SORTS of rules regarding conduct, and what is and isn't allowed various places...and will have to continue to do so in adulthood.

I fail to see the widsom in, "Well, kids don't follow rules anyway, so it's pointless to expect them to."

The fact that many kids DO, in fact have problems with discipline, self-discipline, and boundaries is exactly the reason that one SHOULDN'T lighten up on said boundaries.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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How many kids do you know that this has actually happened to?
A lot. Many kids--as well as adults--can't even refrain from texting and/or surfing the net to pay attention to a lecture or drive. I see people all of the time who are texting while driving, and I have seen in a college, high school (and even a fitness) classroom students who obsessively text throughout class.

If you still aren't convinced that this is a problem:

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Old 09-30-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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"Today's feisty kids" have to follow ALL SORTS of rules regarding conduct, and what is and isn't allowed various places...and will have to continue to do so in adulthood.

I fail to see the widsom in, "Well, kids don't follow rules anyway, so it's pointless to expect them to."

The fact that many kids DO, in fact have problems with discipline, self-discipline, and boundaries is exactly the reason that one SHOULDN'T lighten up on said boundaries.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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A lot. Many kids--as well as adults--can't even refrain from texting and/or surfing the net to pay attention to a lecture or drive. I see people all of the time who are texting while driving, and I have seen in a college, high school (and even a fitness) classroom students who obsessively text throughout class.

If you still aren't convinced that this is a problem:

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There is a huge difference between "can't" and "choose not to" .
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Old 09-30-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Yes, there is a huge difference... one would imply that you don't have the ability to refrain from making a dangerous/rude/otherwise inappropriate choice, the other notes that you are making a dangerous/rude/otherwise inappropriate choice completely consciously and purposefully.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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There is a huge difference between "can't" and "choose not to" .
This is precisely my point: when someone is so intent on using an item, and when its use jeopardizes that person's livelihood and/or the lives of others, then I would say that the behavior has become problematic, regardless of whether it is a matter of not being able to or not choosing to refrain from the behavior.
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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This is precisely my point: when someone is so intent on using an item, and when its use jeopardizes that person's livelihood and/or the lives of others, then I would say that the behavior has become problematic, regardless of whether it is a matter of not being able to or not choosing to refrain from the behavior.
Then that person should be punished, not everyone else who does know how to control themselves.
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Then that person should be punished, not everyone else who does know how to control themselves.
Well, if they don't break the rule, then they don't get punished. But the rule has to be in place ("no cell phones in class/at school") so that those who cannot control themselves are controlled; same thing as any other law or rule. Students who are controlling themselves (i.e. not breaking the rule) shouldn't have a problem with it.
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