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Old 10-28-2011, 01:15 AM
 
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Note: I am NOT here to rant on why I hate school. This lists the possible reasons why kids do NOT like going to school and to provide criticism on how to make schools better.

Here is the possible reasons why kids do not like going to school. This is not a rant why I don't like school, but this lists all the possibilities why kids hate it and what schools can do to make it better.

Also note that this is not a rant on the education, its a rant on school. This may be a rant that you may not agree with AND it does have numbers of complaining in it. So please, try not to bash me.

Let's start off with number 1.

1. Too much homework: One of the top reasons why kids hate school. Teachers gives out WAY too much homework on days or time when kids should not have homework. What sucks about this is at the kids are given homework on the weekends when they should have more free time. Teachers, if you're that eager for students to 'practice' their work then at least give them only one assignment per subject. Even high school students need their free time on the weekends. Kids don't care about their work because they feel that they are given too many work. Who cares if kids should review ALL the steps they've worked on. Kids don't need to do more than 3 pages each day because that takes all their freetime away. When students are at home, they are on their freetime. Like I said, it's okay to give out homework, but not too many.

Well, I know what you mean about too much homework, but it's the only way for you to actually study the material and practice it. You'll see what I mean when you reach college. When your in college, at least the big university where I attended, yes they give homework but for the most part in a a lot of my classes, homework was low on the priority level, meaning it didn't count much. In my alma mater it's up to you if you wanted to do it, you can literally not do the homework and if you are gifted enough to ace the 3 or 4 exams, you will get an A in the class. The catch is, almost all the students need to do the homework to ace the exams because a lot of the questions on the exams were based on the homework. Believe me, the average student needs to do the homework because it will prevent you from cramming the night before the exam. I learned that the hard way not doing the homework. I actually wanted my professors to collect the homework because it would give me discipline to keep up with the subject matter at hand. Homework is good for you, trust me because when you get to college, they don't care if you do it or nor, it's more money for the college if you drop the subject or have to retake it.

2. Snippy Teachers: Now some teachers can be nice, some can be moderately kind, but some teachers like to go banzai everytime a student does the slightlest inappropriate thing. They seem to think that yelling at someone solves their problems even if the student did not know. No, yelling at someone does not solve your problem. It does not solve ANYONE'S problem. This is also one of the reasons why students skip classes. There are some teachers who starts snapping at them for the simplest and fixable things. Note that not ALL teachers are like this; most of them are pretty nice and hot. However, some teachers and administrators needs to be put in anger management classes because this has gone too far!
Yes, this happens. Man, I still can't forget my spanish teacher. Till this day, she frightens me. She was somewhat threatening in her on way. She gave too much homework and gave pop quizzes everyday, and if your grade on the pop quiz is less than 70%, you have to bring the quiz home and sign by your parents. So, if a student wasn't keeping up with the subject and just blew it off, he/she could literally be asking for parental signatures everyday. But, again when I looked back on it, she was probably one of the best teachers I ever had as far as learning a subject is concern. She found a way to motivate her students to learn but unfortunately at the time, it was a terrifying experience. But, guess what, all her students had the best scores compared to the other teacher in the school.

3. Stupid and unintelligent rules: Students wants to follow rules that will keep them safe and not follow any rules that are unintelligent and are unexplainably pertaining to the safety of others. I've heard of schools having rules where students are not allowed to wear shorts, rules that dictate that a student can't hug anyone, rules that does not involve the school, the district, nor the educational value. Plus, I've heard of a rule where if you are seen holding hands you will be suspends. If you are going to make a rule, at least make sure it makes sense and understandable. There should be no rule that dictate what transition period students should and should not be in their lockers. Just because its your school does not mean it should have to be like a prison.
Yeah, I see what you mean about these rules but again some rules are needed to keep students in line, or else it's chaos. Speaking of shorts, I think if students were made to wear uniforms, it takes some of the peer pressure away as far as ...who's wearing the nicest clothes or trying to decide in the morning what to wear so you can impress your crush girl/guy ect .
There was a student in our school that was bullied 2-3 times a week based on what he wore, it was ridiculous to what they did to this kid.

4. Adults thinking they are more 'superior': Teachers, administrators, security officers, let me tell you something: Just because you're an adult does NOT make you more superior than the students. Sure, you're the one in charge and responsible for them. But you are NOT the student's parent. I'm sick of teachers and administrators thinking that they are the parent or guardians of all the students in their charge just because they are working through a contract. I don't get why these school officals can't take criticism given by the students. Students care about their school, so they may want to provide some criticism. Stop scolding and snapping on them JUST because they told you what you should and should not do. It's called 'criticism'. If you can criticize a student because of THEIR work and grades then students can criticize YOU because of YOUR behavior, rules, and authorities. I had a principal when I was in 7th grade that took criticism given by his students, but none of his staff and assistant principals did. Students are not at school to obey every command you give them and then not be allowed to point out the flaws and faults you have made. If you want school to be a good place to be at, then schools should take criticism. Even if they are demanding it, it's still criticism. Also, by 'demanding', I don't mean threatening.
I agree for the most part. Students should be heard.

5. Useless Subjects: If you are going to be a good academic, then at least create subjects that students need when they grow up. Some portions of Math is not needed, some portions of social studies is not needed, not even portions of history is needed. You may not agree with this, since some of you seem to like these subjects mentioned. But I hate learning some parts of Math because it's super hard. Why can't schools give us useful subjects?
Well, honestly, all my core subjects were useful in my opinion. It makes a well rounded student. In 7th and 8th grade, they made us take Home economics such as cooking and sewing. I thought it was silly but hey, looking back on it was actually fun and learn quite a few recipes that were useful when I was living on my own in college. I refuse to buy the college's meal plan cause it was so expensive and just survive on some of the things that I learned to cook as an 8th grader, LOL
Do you have any reasons why kids hate school? Post it here.
A funny story from one of my former history teachers, he had a good student in his class that was terrified of graduating and leaving high school and the student actually tried to fail high school.
High school, at least for me and my friends in high shool, is the best time of your life and you should try to enjoy it. When you get out in the real world, you'll wish you were back in high school.
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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Note: I am NOT here to rant on why I hate school. This lists the possible reasons why kids do NOT like going to school and to provide criticism on how to make schools better.

Here is the possible reasons why kids do not like going to school. This is not a rant why I don't like school, but this lists all the possibilities why kids hate it and what schools can do to make it better.

Also note that this is not a rant on the education, its a rant on school. This may be a rant that you may not agree with AND it does have numbers of complaining in it. So please, try not to bash me.

Let's start off with number 1.

1. Too much homework: One of the top reasons why kids hate school. Teachers gives out WAY too much homework on days or time when kids should not have homework. What sucks about this is at the kids are given homework on the weekends when they should have more free time. Teachers, if you're that eager for students to 'practice' their work then at least give them only one assignment per subject. Even high school students need their free time on the weekends. Kids don't care about their work because they feel that they are given too many work. Who cares if kids should review ALL the steps they've worked on. Kids don't need to do more than 3 pages each day because that takes all their freetime away. When students are at home, they are on their freetime. Like I said, it's okay to give out homework, but not too many.

2. Snippy Teachers: Now some teachers can be nice, some can be moderately kind, but some teachers like to go banzai everytime a student does the slightlest inappropriate thing. They seem to think that yelling at someone solves their problems even if the student did not know. No, yelling at someone does not solve your problem. It does not solve ANYONE'S problem. This is also one of the reasons why students skip classes. There are some teachers who starts snapping at them for the simplest and fixable things. Note that not ALL teachers are like this; most of them are pretty nice and hot. However, some teachers and administrators needs to be put in anger management classes because this has gone too far!

3. Stupid and unintelligent rules: Students wants to follow rules that will keep them safe and not follow any rules that are unintelligent and are unexplainably pertaining to the safety of others. I've heard of schools having rules where students are not allowed to wear shorts, rules that dictate that a student can't hug anyone, rules that does not involve the school, the district, nor the educational value. Plus, I've heard of a rule where if you are seen holding hands you will be suspends. If you are going to make a rule, at least make sure it makes sense and understandable. There should be no rule that dictate what transition period students should and should not be in their lockers. Just because its your school does not mean it should have to be like a prison.

4. Adults thinking they are more 'superior': Teachers, administrators, security officers, let me tell you something: Just because you're an adult does NOT make you more superior than the students. Sure, you're the one in charge and responsible for them. But you are NOT the student's parent. I'm sick of teachers and administrators thinking that they are the parent or guardians of all the students in their charge just because they are working through a contract. I don't get why these school officals can't take criticism given by the students. Students care about their school, so they may want to provide some criticism. Stop scolding and snapping on them JUST because they told you what you should and should not do. It's called 'criticism'. If you can criticize a student because of THEIR work and grades then students can criticize YOU because of YOUR behavior, rules, and authorities. I had a principal when I was in 7th grade that took criticism given by his students, but none of his staff and assistant principals did. Students are not at school to obey every command you give them and then not be allowed to point out the flaws and faults you have made. If you want school to be a good place to be at, then schools should take criticism. Even if they are demanding it, it's still criticism. Also, by 'demanding', I don't mean threatening.

5. Useless Subjects: If you are going to be a good academic, then at least create subjects that students need when they grow up. Some portions of Math is not needed, some portions of social studies is not needed, not even portions of history is needed. You may not agree with this, since some of you seem to like these subjects mentioned. But I hate learning some parts of Math because it's super hard. Why can't schools give us useful subjects?

Do you have any reasons why kids hate school? Post it here.
I agree with all of this; these were reasons that I always hated school. As far as homework, I think kids are given too much homework, and I used to complain about it as a kid, only to be told "wait 'till you start working!" The difference between adulthood for a lot of people, and kids is that most adults can leave their work at work, no questions asked and be done for the day after doing their eight (or ten or twelve) hours. Not so for kids; after spending six or seven hours in school, depending on the age of the child, they then can have one to three hours of homework. There really should be no more than a half-hour per night (depending on the age of the child and the subject). I think cutting down on that might help to reduce a lot of kids' problems (and probably allow for more time to join clubs and sports of interest). Yes I'm aware that there are overachievers who do three hours of homework and then go to practice for two or three different clubs and sports, but that's not the normal kid.

I also had snippy teachers and it made me not want to go to them for help about anything. I ended up flunking math in sixth grade for most of the year because my math teacher would get hysterical and accuse me of not listening in the beginning when I asked for help, so I stopped asking (and she ended up bullying me in other ways all year long). I almost switched P.E. classes because of harassment by a female P.E. teacher and she finally quit picking on me and found another target. In high school I was even harassed by a school administrator who accused me of doing something I didn't do, and proceeded to tell me she "had her eye on me". After a couple of more incidents like that, I complained to the school and I don't know what happened to her but it turns out I wasn't the only one.

I agree some rules were there for stupid purposes but I myself always tried my best to follow them anyway.

I think the "adults feeling superior" thing may arise from the fact that kids are technically in their care for a good chunk of the day so maybe they forget to look at them as actual human beings with minds of their own. But yes sometimes they need to step back a little bit and try to relate to kids in a way.

I agree with the useless subjects also, as that was part of a big chunk of my average grade point average. I purposely let myself flunk physics because I just could not grasp it and had no desire to lol. (Now I'd like to try again though, go figure...). I'm pretty sure everything I took after tenth grade was useless to my education (besides the few classes that I had personal interest in, but somebody else obviously had no interest in).

To add something; kids who are picked on by other kids are more likely to hate school. That's a no-brainer. If you have no (or little) support system, nobody is going to be there to rein you back in if you decide to be self-destructive and say "f--- this..."

Also, kids who move around a lot are more likely to hate school. My mother and I both went through it (though she worse than I). My rationale for finally quitting getting social with my classmates was my thinking that "there's no point, we might not stay here anyway".
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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gourmet foods on campus)
Interesting, beautiful, inspirational, colorful architecture - not prison buildings
Plenty of natural light in buildings, high ceilings
Comfortable chairs or mini-desks, circular seating arrangement
Skating Rink
Bowling Alley
Exercise room
Swimming Pool
Hot tub where literature would be discussed
Group process, daily, using consensus model
Other
It's interesting you should post these. One college (which was a commuter campus) I attended was based on the House system. Your major determined which house you belonged to. Each house was in one large building and was named after a famous person in that field. There were large photos of that person on the walls and many had donated memorabilia. The lobby of each house had comfy chairs and sofas for reading or just bull sessions.

Each house had it's own cafeteria and each house featured a different type of food. Mexican, American, etc. (Though you could eat wherever you wanted.) Students were encouraged to eat and study with each other.

Each house was designed with that major in mind. Professors could group their rooms however they liked, or could take the students outside or to the common areas of the house for classes. Science majors could drop in on Film classes that showed movies.

And each house had it's own games. (This is pre-video games.) So various houses had pool tables, ping-pong tables, etc.

The president of the school frequently walked the campus and any student could talk to him about problems. Or challenge him to an impromptu debate on the topics of the day. He'd drop in on classes and join in on the discussions.

This was 40 years ago and was considered to be a model of "Education in the Future."

It was also one of the first colleges built with the disabled in mind. (There were a lot of disabled Vietnam vets returning home for their education.) Every room on campus was built to accomodate wheelchairs. Fourty years ago that was pretty rare.

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Old 10-28-2011, 10:48 AM
 
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A funny story from one of my former history teachers, he had a good student in his class that was terrified of graduating and leaving high school and the student actually tried to fail high school.
High school, at least for me and my friends in high shool, is the best time of your life and you should try to enjoy it. When you get out in the real world, you'll wish you were back in high school.

High School is a lot more like Junior High School than living in a dorm at a University.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Adults thinking they are more 'superior': Teachers, administrators, security officers, let me tell you something: Just because you're an adult does NOT make you more superior than the students. Sure, you're the one in charge and responsible for them. But you are NOT the student's parent. I'm sick of teachers and administrators thinking that they are the parent or guardians of all the students in their charge just because they are working through a contract. I don't get why these school officals can't take criticism given by the students. Students care about their school, so they may want to provide some criticism. Stop scolding and snapping on them JUST because they told you what you should and should not do. It's called 'criticism'. If you can criticize a student because of THEIR work and grades then students can criticize YOU because of YOUR behavior, rules, and authorities. I had a principal when I was in 7th grade that took criticism given by his students, but none of his staff and assistant principals did. Students are not at school to obey every command you give them and then not be allowed to point out the flaws and faults you have made. If you want school to be a good place to be at, then schools should take criticism. Even if they are demanding it, it's still criticism. Also, by 'demanding', I don't mean threatening.
They are not "superior", but if they are teaching a subject, then they know more about the subject then the students. It is rude to tell a teacher what they should or should not do. That is not what I call helpful criticism, that's being a brat. You are not their peers or their co-workers, you are their student and your job is to learn what they are teaching. If you don't understand it, you should respectfully ask for them to explain it a different way. If you feel that they are teaching you information you already know, there is a respectful way to share that information.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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So you didn't graduate from high school? What college accepted you without a high school diploma? Did you get financial aid w/o a diploma? Or did you pay cash?
Uh.. I'm still in high school?
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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They are not "superior", but if they are teaching a subject, then they know more about the subject then the students. It is rude to tell a teacher what they should or should not do. That is not what I call helpful criticism, that's being a brat. You are not their peers or their co-workers, you are their student and your job is to learn what they are teaching. If you don't understand it, you should respectfully ask for them to explain it a different way. If you feel that they are teaching you information you already know, there is a respectful way to share that information.
So being a nice person and kindly telling them how they could become a better teacher isn't helpful criticism? I understand that you are not their co-workers, but they should at least take constructive criticism. If I play my cards right, THAT should at least help students do their work more. Also, I wasn't talking about them teaching. I was talking about their attitude towards students. Sadly, there are too many scumbags around who don't know how to take criticism. It's different if they are demanding it, though.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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Most kids I know actually like school....
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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So being a nice person and kindly telling them how they could become a better teacher isn't helpful criticism? I understand that you are not their co-workers, but they should at least take constructive criticism. If I play my cards right, THAT should at least help students do their work more. Also, I wasn't talking about them teaching. I was talking about their attitude towards students. Sadly, there are too many scumbags around who don't know how to take criticism. It's different if they are demanding it, though.
That's why at then end of the year you fill out the Teacher assessment, which generally are anonymous. Reality is... most of these teachers already been told, but chose not to (or can't) change. Not to mention... Kids are know-it-alls; what they think is "helpful" usually isn't because of the rude way its been presented or whatever other inconsideration.

There are way too many teachers who aren't qualified to be teachers because they don't have the right type of personality to do so. And you know what? That's part of life as well. You have to pick your battles. And you'll learn in college that a lot of times, it never really matters how good a teacher is, but how well you can kiss (the rear end).
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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High School is a lot more like Junior High School than living in a dorm at a University.
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