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Old 11-06-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Wow, a three month break? Where do you live? Our teachers finish two weeks after the kids, usually the end of June and start back a week or two before the kids in mid-August.

I think teachers in my school district are paid reasonably. Starting salary is about $48,000.
I don't make that much, and I'm a 26-year veteran.

Teachers' salaries vary widely around the country and even within states due to local supplements. What this means to me is that the districts that pay $100,000 for teachers are trying to satisfy their parents' desires to have the best teachers for their children. Where I am, not so much. We have vacancies that we still can't fill, even as we approach the holiday season.
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Old 11-06-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Wow, a three month break? Where do you live? Our teachers finish two weeks after the kids, usually the end of June and start back a week or two before the kids in mid-August.

I think teachers in my school district are paid reasonably. Starting salary is about $48,000.
I think the same thing when posters mention 180-185 contract days. Districts I know of are usually between 195-200. My brother and his wife have 200 day contracts. General ed. I know that's still leaves a lot of time not under contract, but that's 3 more weeks beyond 185.
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Old 11-06-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: here
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What I'm talking about are the credentials that got me hired to teach. One of them is a masters in engineering. If I'm required to have a stand along subject matter degree and I was hired for that degree, why wouldn't I be paid like I have that degree?

I think it's a shame that I make half of what I made as an engineer as a teacher. I think it states very clearly that we do not value education.
You don't need a master's in engineering to teach chemistry. That is why you aren't paid for having that degree.

IME teachers get paid more for each education unit they have. With a master's you should be making more than an average 2nd year teacher. So, you are getting paid for having that degree.

ETA if they had to pay you that much, they probably would have hired someone else.
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Old 11-06-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Which private schools are you talking about that cost less than $8,000/year?
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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sounds overpaid to me

and i was surprised to find some teachers in my children's high school were paid well over $100K. the average was close to $100K. sounds like a lot to me
That seems like a very high average. I'm in an area (DC metro Virginia) where the cost of living is high and our scale with a PHD and 20+ years doesn't touch $100k. Are you in NC? Where did you find that average?
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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It is unbelievable the number of "planning days" our teachers have! They have a teachers only-no kids day once/month, and I'd estimate, once/trimester at least, have a sub while they are doing more planning. Growing up there was exactly one day per school year that the kids had off, and the teachers had a district-wide conference.
If you think that staff days are a something teachers came up with you are off your rocker. Staff days are way for administration to deal with house keeping issues (like writing curricula and meeting state mandated professional development) and never take away from student days. In NJ kids have been going for 185 days a year (in my district) and the ten staff days we have are in addition to that. They are by no mean "fun" for us or something we prefer to being in the classroom.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:27 PM
 
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My unwarranted suspicion is that academic accomplishment and IQ are both probably fairly poorly correlated with teaching aptitude. I don't see the completion of graduate-level courses in algebraic topology as relevant to the teaching of high school math, for example.

(Determining the quality of a university is another tricky issue, probably not relevant here.)
There is a ridiculous amount of research out there about this stuff. So "unwarranted suspicion" aside, most of the research finds that the best correlating factors for student success (controlling for SES) are having a teacher with a masters degree in their field, having completed actucal research (for science and math teachers) and selectivity of the college attended by the teacher. Most of this research was conducted by Linda Darling-Hammond.

And on a personal note, I use my research experience and my graduate studies every day in my classroom.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:31 PM
 
Location: here
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If you think that staff days are a something teachers came up with you are off your rocker. Staff days are way for administration to deal with house keeping issues (like writing curricula and meeting state mandated professional development) and never take away from student days. In NJ kids have been going for 185 days a year (in my district) and the ten staff days we have are in addition to that. They are by no mean "fun" for us or something we prefer to being in the classroom.
No... never said that.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Putting up with the idiots today, the Juvenile Delinquents, the Gangs, Hoodlems, and various cretins that think they can do anything to Teachers and often times, get away with it....

They are grossly underpaid!!! They have to be a Truant Officer, a Confidant, a Protector of the innocent from bullys, an Informant, and many other shoes to fill...

Kids these days dont respect adults or anyone else, and yet, the Teacher has to teach these nut-jobs, along with those who want to learn.

No, you cant pay them enough to put up with yours and mine and everyone elses kids...

I wish them well...

Jesse
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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You don't need a master's in engineering to teach chemistry. That is why you aren't paid for having that degree.

IME teachers get paid more for each education unit they have. With a master's you should be making more than an average 2nd year teacher. So, you are getting paid for having that degree.

ETA if they had to pay you that much, they probably would have hired someone else.
No, I just need a stand alone chemistry degree BUT I was hired over all the other candidates because I have that masters in engineering. That was my edge up to get this job.

Actually, no, I'm not getting paid for having the degree. You don't jump tracks right away where I am. If I jumped it would be in year three but it was decided not to count my masters in engineering because it's not related to teaching. That's why I have to go back into engineering when dd#1 starts college. I can't pay her tuition on a teacher's salary.

You're, probably, right about them hiring someone else if they had to pay teachers what htey are worth. Sadly, we do not value expertise or teachers.
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