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Old 12-11-2011, 11:55 PM
 
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Half. Other half was german. Actually, he has a good combination of genes now that I think about it.
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Steven Paul Jobs was born in San Francisco on 24 February 1955, to two university students, Joanne Carole Schieble and Syrian born Abdulfattah "John" Jandali, who were both unmarried at the time.[14] He was adopted at birth by Paul Reinhold Jobs (1922–1993) and Clara Jobs (1924–1986).

Actually, he was abandoned by his Syrian father.
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Steven Paul Jobs was born in San Francisco on 24 February 1955, to two university students, Joanne Carole Schieble and Syrian born Abdulfattah "John" Jandali, who were both unmarried at the time.[14] He was adopted at birth by Paul Reinhold Jobs (19221993) and Clara Jobs (19241986).

Actually, he was abandoned by his Syrian father.
Correct. That makes him half-Syrian. Hence, half-Asian.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Correct. That makes him half-Syrian. Hence, half-Asian.
So you are claiming it is a genetic trait that gives the "Asian" advantage?
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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So you are claiming it is a genetic trait that gives the "Asian" advantage?
How the heck did you get that from this:

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I think Asians will be able to adapt. Asians do not have a biological barrier preventing them from being creative. At least not in the case of M.Night Shyamalan and Steve Jobs.

If you step into countries like Japan, China, India, Eastern Russia, you'll see that there's no lacking of creativity when it comes to architecture, fashion, and entertainment. Many of those can be carried over into innovation.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:22 PM
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Seems like most of wealthiest (and most innovative) engineers and founders in PaloAlto are random non-Jewish white guys, Jews and Indians (where are the Chinese/Mexicans/blks/girls???)....many of these guys are college dropouts or dropouts of Stanford's CS PhD pgm (who attended some crappy state college CS undergrad; do the Ivies/MIT have any competent engineering undergrads? Why are so few Stanford CS undergrads among the highest achievers?)

And, in increasingly Luddite/irrelevant/lower income (vs SV) NYC, most top hedge fund founders or highest paid traders are Jews or Indians or random white dudes (where are the Chinese/Mexicans/blks/girls???)

And in NBA/NFL, etc, such Jews, whites or Indians (or females/transgenders of any color) seem to be underrepresented, perhaps victims of discrimination or lack of opportunity...where's some lawyer to sue for aff action discrim or whatever???
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Seems like most of wealthiest (and most innovative) engineers and founders in PaloAlto are random non-Jewish white guys, Jews and Indians (where are the Chinese/Mexicans/blks/girls???)....many of these guys are college dropouts or dropouts of Stanford's CS PhD pgm (who attended some crappy state college CS undergrad; do the Ivies/MIT have any competent engineering undergrads? Why are so few Stanford CS undergrads among the highest achievers?)

And, in increasingly Luddite/irrelevant/lower income (vs SV) NYC, most top hedge fund founders or highest paid traders are Jews or Indians or random white dudes (where are the Chinese/Mexicans/blks/girls???)

And in NBA/NFL, etc, such Jews, whites or Indians (or females/transgenders of any color) seem to be underrepresented, perhaps victims of discrimination or lack of opportunity...where's some lawyer to sue for aff action discrim or whatever???

are you kidding me? Do a search for hedge fund/portfolio managers and see how many Chinese come up...plenty.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:38 PM
 
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Not true. Innovation is still coming out of the great USA, by all kinds of people, but led through the educational system that we have here. AND....I never said that Asians weren't creative. I said that their educational system doesn't reward creativity.

once again...a little misguided. Their educational system does reward creativity. It just doesn't obsess about it like the US. And yes, Americans are still innovative, but I doubt its a result of the US educational system.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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At my kids High School the top students are always the Asian immmigrants. Usually they are the girls and usually they are from China, Korea or India. 8 out of 10 of the top students are girls.

But the problem is the immigrants are rarely involved in classroom discussions or in clubs, sports, music or other non class options.

Is this true in your school?

Are "immigrants" the top students at your High School?
I highly doubt the students are "immigrants" if they are os SE Asian ancestry. They are probably children of immigrants.

I worked with the SE Asian community quite a bit in the early 90's, would go into the housing projects to check gas leaks for the utility I work for. The only think I didn't like was the language barrier and the smell of the cooking, but they are wonderful people.

Their children most of all really impressed me. At 5 years old they were their parent's interpreter, spoke perfect Hmong and English and gave this aura of responsibility way beyond their years.

I'm not an educated person, I went to college for 2 years and majored in partying but that right there made me go home and encourage foreign language study in my own children. My kids both speak fluent German and Spanish now because I was so impressed with those Hmong kids.

It's their culture, family first then education. The Caucasian and African American communities could learn a lot from the Hmong.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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Also-my neighbors are retired folks of Hmong decent. They speak English, Hmong, Vietnamese and French. They have 6 children, all college grads. Even their daughter who is autistic and lives with them is a college grad. Their other children are either teachers or doctors and all graduated from private colleges. Very impressive family, just wonderful people. It's all about the education.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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So you are claiming it is a genetic trait that gives the "Asian" advantage?
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How the heck did you get that from this:
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I think Asians will be able to adapt. Asians do not have a biological barrier preventing them from being creative. At least not in the case of M.Night Shyamalan and Steve Jobs.

If you step into countries like Japan, China, India, Eastern Russia, you'll see that there's no lacking of creativity when it comes to architecture, fashion, and entertainment. Many of those can be carried over into innovation.
Still curious on this one....
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