NEWS--PRIVITIZATION coming sooner than later? (benefits, important, questions, people)

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by daminos

Logically wrong again. I am against the theft. Only those of you who condone it, and support it are intellectually dishonest.

How is it dishonest, intellectually or otherwise, to support something you agree with? Taxes are not theft. They are the bill we pay to be part of society. If you don't like the bill, you're free to leave. You don't have to take from the system. You don't have to be part of what you call theft. No one is stopping you from leaving. Vote with your feet.

The only one being dishonest here is you. You continue to enjoy the fruits of society while calling paying the bill theft.

You do realize that the internet was developed by the government so you'll have to log off now....or be party to the theft you're talking about.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by loloroj

Oh man, you came to this gunfight with a butter knife. The fallacy is all yours. You keep dodgin the obvious. I asked you a question that you ignored some time back, that was, how is your use of the Intenet/computer for the common defense? Now you claimed that those were created for the common defense, so I'd like for you to prove your claim. Tell us, in front of god and man, just how you think that using both is for such a purpose? We'll see your capacity to think by answering a basic question which seemingly you should be able to answer. So prove just how much of a grasp on logic/reality you got there....

Your use of the Internet is a Straw man argument. Give it up already. The Internet was created by DARPA for original military use. The Federal Government is nearly useless, and needs to be dismantled.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

How is it dishonest, intellectually or otherwise, to support something you agree with? Taxes are not theft. They are the bill we pay to be part of society. If you don't like the bill, you're free to leave. You don't have to take from the system. You don't have to be part of what you call theft. No one is stopping you from leaving. Vote with your feet.

The only one being dishonest here is you. You continue to enjoy the fruits of society while calling paying the bill theft.

You do realize that the internet was developed by the government so you'll have to log off now....or be party to the theft you're talking about.

Just like the other guy, you are using a Straw man argument. The Internet was developed by the part of the Federal government which actually has Constitutional authority.

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by daminos

Your use of the Internet is a Straw man argument. Give it up already. The Internet was created by DARPA for original military use. The Federal Government is nearly useless, and needs to be dismantled.

And who do you think pays for the military????


You're the only one who is intellectually dishonest here. You continue to use, according to you, government ill gotten gains.... Those of us who support the system, OTOH, support the system and use what we PURCHASED. That someone might get more than me is inconsequential. There but for the grace of God go I. I could slip on the ice in the morning, bang my head, and need government assistance for the rest of my life. I don't begrudge anyone who needs more help than me.

[loloroj]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

FTR, I'm degreed in chemical engineering. I don't have data but we were told when we entered the college of engineering that 70% of chemical engineers don't work as chemical engineers. It has nothing to do with not being able to find work in the field. Many go into education, business, management or on to law school. I'm thinking that a high percentage of engineers have always chosen something else to do. Engineering lends itself well to lots of things...Look at me...I graduated at the top of my chemical engineering class and I'm teaching high school chemistry and physics.

The numbers don't lie. We're kicking out less than 70k in engineers every year. India is kickin out well into the 100k's, most of those from public unis. That says nothing about the numbers from China, or Eastern Europe, also from public unis. The point of why corps are going after lowering H1-B's and L visas requirements is in order to take advantage of the overseas money which has been used to train STEM folks and then bring them in at far lower rates. The point about Duke/MIT is that even the best uni graduates are finding that they won't go into their fields of study because of the politics of the globalization.

You teach at a public school, as I did. Public schools are being gutted, and the claim is that its because they can't do the job, so they should be defunded. But what isn't being talked about is the massive wave of people who are coming from foreign public schools/unis which are used to subsidize the corporations. The problem is getting so bad that some engineering schools are thinking of closing down, because they cannot sustain themselves against the onslaught of much cheaper, publicly subsidized engineers which can easily and cheaply replace Americans.

[loloroj]

Originally Posted by daminos

Just like the other guy, you are using a Straw man argument. The Internet was developed by the part of the Federal government which actually has Constitutional authority.

Really???? Can you please tell us what part of the Constitution allows for the creation and public use of the Internet/computer?

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by daminos

Just like the other guy, you are using a Straw man argument. The Internet was developed by the part of the Federal government which actually has Constitutional authority.

So what? It was developed with, what you call, stolen funds.... I'm afraid the strawman argument is yours.

[loloroj]

Originally Posted by daminos

Your use of the Internet is a Straw man argument. Give it up already. The Internet was created by DARPA for original military use. The Federal Government is nearly useless, and needs to be dismantled.

Give what up? That you haven't proved your point. It seems that you're the one that intellectually dishonest here bub. Where is it in the Constitution that says that a product created by the military, for military use, is to be privatized and then allowed to be used by the public, for private use? Just answer the question in order to show us how your mind works....

[daminos]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

So what? It was developed with, what you call, stolen funds.... I'm afraid the strawman argument is yours.

It is a Straw man argument because you posit one example as the rule for the whole. It is simple logic, but let me rephrase it for you:

Just because the military created a useful technology that serendipitously also had civilian use, it does not imply that the Federal Government itself is wholly useful.

In fact, it is quite the opposite. The Federal Government is almost completely useless, inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful. As a result, it needs to be dismantled.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by loloroj

Give what up? That you haven't proved your point. It seems that you're the one that intellectually dishonest here bub. Where is it in the Constitution that says that a product created by the military, for military use, is to be privatized and then allowed to be used by the public, for private use? Just answer the question in order to show us how your mind works....

That is a pointless question.