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If you would look at his website, he has MANY more clips of what the teacher and aid were doing during the 6 hours he has on tape. They talk about their husband needing, I think it was, Viagra. They talk about this boys son and other parents in front of the children, many more.
Here again is the link, if you care to educate yourself on what was actually going on Teacher/Bully
As I said before, I will defer to due process. The school board, which heard all 6.5 hours of tape, chose not to terminate her. Instead of grabbing pitchforks with the rest of you, I'll assume they had their reasons. I KNOW from the inside how teacher firings work and if they thought the teacher was deserving of being fired, she would be on leave right now pending investigation. She's not. THAT is telling.
The aid was fired. That is telling too.
I'm really not interested in listening to more excerpts taken out of context. The aid was fired for the alchohol talk, as she should have been. I don't see reason here that the teacher should have been fired. The school board didn't either. I guess we win.
I think it depends on the situation. You cannot take something like this out of context. If you'd been in my class today, you would have understood why my team teacher chose to tell the class to keep their mouths shut. BTW, it worked, beutifully as it always seems to when she does it.
So you're telling me that, depending on the situation, if one of your students told you to shut up you would have no problem with that? I don't believe that for one minute I don't care what context they would say it in, I'm pretty sure they would be sent out of the room or to administration.
Of course it worked, they were probably all dumbfounded that an adult would actually lose it like that. Not a great example to set.
As I said before, I will defer to due process. The school board, which heard all 6.5 hours of tape, chose not to terminate her. Instead of grabbing pitchforks with the rest of you, I'll assume they had their reasons. I KNOW from the inside how teacher firings work and if they thought the teacher was deserving of being fired, she would be on leave right now pending investigation. She's not. THAT is telling.
The aid was fired. That is telling too.
I'm really not interested in listening to more excerpts taken out of context. The aid was fired for the alchohol talk, as she should have been. I don't see reason here that the teacher should have been fired. The school board didn't either. I guess we win.
Of course you aren't interested. Again, it doesn't matter what contect, the conversations in front of these children were wrong.
Well then, what are your thoughts that the School Board published a statement stating that all individuals heard on the tape were no longer working in the school district, when in fact the teacher is still working in the district. They transfered her to the high school. Do you think it was ok for the board to lie not only to this father, but all other parents?
Probably the same reason these 16 Yo-Yo Perverts can't be fired.
"Sixteen city teachers have been singled out by education officials for pervy classroom behavior — but they can’t be fired, the Daily News has learned."
"One instructor allegedly bent a kid over a chair and thrust into him from behind, saying “I’ll show you what is gay.” Another couldn’t stop calling girls in his gym class “sexy.” And yet another is accused of telling a student: “I slept with your mother last night.”
"Fourteen of the shady instructors are still working with city kids — and two of them have been yanked from the classroom after being accused again of inappropriate behavior."
It's those darn teachers' unions. I'm glad they exist but they do go overboard. That's why bad/inappropriate teachers continue to be allowed to subject unsuspecting kids to their nonsense.
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NJ Father Records Teachers Bullying His Autistic Child (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/nj-father-records-teachers-bullying-his-autistic-child - broken link)
Father puts a wire on his autistic son to find out what's going on in the class room to make him act up and discovered the teaching staff bullying and verbally abusing the students as well as having very inappropriate conversations in front of 10 year old students.
Absolutely outrageous! I'm sure it happens more than we think. I'm not autistic and I can remember off the top of my head a handful of teachers who in retrospect were not cut out for the classroom. One of them, a nightmare math teacher I had in sixth grade, I recently found out is still teaching, at my little cousin's school. What possesses people like this to become teachers is beyond me, but the havoc they cause is serious. I fell behind in math for years and had a lot of trouble asking for help because of the way this teacher berated me.
There was also the nightmare gym teacher I had in high school who finally let up on me when I complained to administration about her bullying. What did she do? She found herself another target. She's probably still there too.
The nightmare after-school program head-lady who gave me nightmares for months to come, and of course the first-grade teacher I had and her coworker next door who could not for the life of them handle kids in a calm, professional way.
I can understand the days when women had little choice but to become a teacher or secretary, and I can certainly understand teachers who just reach the end of their ropes, but there are too many bullies in our schools and it's an epidemic. How the heck are they going to stop student-bullying if they won't stop teacher-bullying? Thank gawd for all of the teachers who were awesome at their jobs though, they made it all worth it.
As I said before, I will defer to due process. The school board, which heard all 6.5 hours of tape, chose not to terminate her.
Me thinks that is because the school board is afraid of the teachers' union, which would cost the town zillions of dollars in lawsuits. And to think that bullying only happened to students.
Instead of grabbing pitchforks with the rest of you, I'll assume they had their reasons. I KNOW from the inside how teacher firings work and if they thought the teacher was deserving of being fired, she would be on leave right now pending investigation. She's not. THAT is telling.
The aid was fired. That is telling too.
I'm really not interested in listening to more excerpts taken out of context. The aid was fired for the alchohol talk, as she should have been. I don't see reason here that the teacher should have been fired. The school board didn't either. I guess we win.
Ahhhh.... 'we'. It's an us (teachers' union) vs. the school board, which is more important than what goes on in the classroom. Thank G*d I had a real job.
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Am I the only one here who thinks the phrases "Stop talking", "Shut up" and "Shut your mouths" is pretty much saying the same thing?
As an educator who specializes in working with students with autism, at my school, we don't use any of those phrases. Again, we ALWAYS frame things in the positive, and redirect to what the students SHOULD be doing and reinforce on-task and other desired behavior. When you direct a student with autism to stop unwanted behavior, you are drawing undue attention to the behavior itself, which is often the reaction that is being sought. We don't attend to negative behavior/give it attention, because 99% of our students' behavior is attentionseeking, and paying it off only serves to make it increase in frequency. So, we withhold the reinforcement of the attention that is being sought when the behavior is unwanted - behavioral extinction.
Extinction is generally accepted as the most measurably effective method of decreasing unwanted behavior in students with autism. For as much as NJ talks up their public schools, I'm surprised their staff tasked to work with autistic students isn't better schooled in the principles of applied behavior analytics.
At any rate, speaking to students with disrespect only teaches disrespect, whether one is dealing in ABA or not.
As an educator who specializes in working with students with autism, at my school, we don't use any of those phrases. Again, we ALWAYS frame things in the positive, and redirect to what the students SHOULD be doing and reinforce on-task and other desired behavior. When you direct a student with autism to stop unwanted behavior, you are drawing undue attention to the behavior itself, which is often the reaction that is being sought. We don't attend to negative behavior/give it attention, because 99% of our students' behavior is attentionseeking, and paying it off only serves to make it increase in frequency. So, we withhold the reinforcement of the attention that is being sought when the behavior is unwanted - behavioral extinction.
Extinction is generally accepted as the most measurably effective method of decreasing unwanted behavior in students with autism. For as much as NJ talks up their public schools, I'm surprised their staff tasked to work with autistic students isn't better schooled in the principles of applied behavior analytics.
At any rate, speaking to students with disrespect only teaches disrespect, whether one is dealing in ABA or not.
The problem is I don't consider it disrespect to tell someone to stop talking. I consider talking when one shouldn't to be disrepectful.
The only time I've seen teachers do this is when other measures failed. It does seem to get the attention of the class. Extinction is the response my team teacher got today.
I really wish I could do this but I can't. It doesn't play the same for me. I'm viewed as rigid by the kids to begin with. I'd probably end up with a father taping my room, then pulling out snippets and stringing them together to make them sound as bad as possible....
I don't specialize in autism or any other disorder. I leave that up to my team teachers and the student's paras. That being the case, I wouldn't dream of correcting them. Rather, I expect them to know their job. I'm sure it's easy to play Monday morning coach and tell someone they should have known something they didn't. I'm guessing this is the case with the teacher who wasn't fired. I don't really know why the school board chose not to terminate her but I have to defer to their expertise on the matter because all I'm privy to is select pieces of audio and I don't know what the teacher heard, didn't hear or said. I don't know what may have been done before. I don't know what led up to the events of this day. I do think firing the aide was the right thing because she should not have been talking about being out drinking the night before.
The problem is I don't consider it disrespect to tell someone to stop talking. I consider talking when one shouldn't to be disrepectful.
Except that it may or may not be...particularly in the case of people with autism. There are often sensory/neurological differences at play. People with autism, for instance, often perseverate on scripting, and that talking out of turn is a compulsion, not a conscious choice to be disrespectful. I know you're thinking really of your neurotypical students, and not students with the same barriers as the student this thread is about, but the fact remains the same, nonetheless.
Teachers do have a responsibility to report inappropriate behaviors of aides to the Administratorm even if you are not a SPED teacher. If an Aide is telling a student to "shut up" or "you are a Bastard". I may not know what behavior interventions are being done with that student, but I DO KNOW what is NOT acceptable in my classroom, not matter who says it. And I would intervene, and pretty much, that aide would not be welcome in my classroom until some issues had been addressed.
Yes, I did have a "problem" para in my classroom, and I documented issues on a daily basis. And submitted them to the Admin on a weekly basis. And it did get that para transferred out of working with kids.
The problem is I don't consider it disrespect to tell someone to stop talking. I consider talking when one shouldn't to be disrepectful.
The only time I've seen teachers do this is when other measures failed. It does seem to get the attention of the class. Extinction is the response my team teacher got today.
I really wish I could do this but I can't. It doesn't play the same for me. I'm viewed as rigid by the kids to begin with. I'd probably end up with a father taping my room, then pulling out snippets and stringing them together to make them sound as bad as possible....
I don't specialize in autism or any other disorder. I leave that up to my team teachers and the student's paras. That being the case, I wouldn't dream of correcting them. Rather, I expect them to know their job. I'm sure it's easy to play Monday morning coach and tell someone they should have known something they didn't. I'm guessing this is the case with the teacher who wasn't fired. I don't really know why the school board chose not to terminate her but I have to defer to their expertise on the matter because all I'm privy to is select pieces of audio and I don't know what the teacher heard, didn't hear or said. I don't know what may have been done before. I don't know what led up to the events of this day. I do think firing the aide was the right thing because she should not have been talking about being out drinking the night before.
That's just it, I don't think anyone here considers asking someone to "stop talking" disrespect. That is not what was said though. He was told to "shut your mouth" / "shut up", those two are disrespectful when said to anyone.
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I don't care what context they would say it in, I'm pretty sure they would be sent out of the room or to administration.
What possesses people like this to become teachers is beyond me, but the havoc they cause is serious. I fell behind in math for years and had a lot of trouble asking for help because of the way this teacher berated me.
