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Old 04-29-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I had a special ed teacher once ask me not to drop in unannounced and you can bet I for sure made a point to actually do so. I found out why. If a teacher says this to you, consider it a red flag.
Well, it depends...working with students with autism, my experience has been that oftentimes, when parents are in the building, they consider it to be most helpful if their child doesn't SEE them while they observe from afar (our school is set up so that this is possible), because often, students with autism can have behavioral meltdowns if not prepped for a change in routine...seeing your mom or dad suddenly in school when you don't, typically, can trigger episodes of extreme behavior.

That would be the main reason we would suggest something of a head's up - if the student needs to be prepped for something like that to occur, if the student will have mom or dad in his or her range of vision. It's not fair to not prep the kids. One of the cardinal rules in managing behavior for kids with autism is to keep them apprised of changes to their day so they know what to expect. Little wrinkles and unexpected events can cause such anxiety for these kids. A parent dropping in without prepping them isn't always a good thing for them. Most parents get this, though, more than most. They know their kids, and know how they will react. It's not an issue with all students, but it is with many.

That said, parents are always welcome at absolutely anytime, announced or unannounced. It sucks, though, when the presence of a parent sets a child who's been having a really good day off. Again, though, most parents of kids with autism get this, and our openness is really appreciated. The fact that such openness exists means that parents rarely, if ever, feel the NEED to drop by unannounced, unless it's to pick a child up in an emergency situation or similar. Our conduct and policies show that we have nothing to hide.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Our conduct and policies show that we have nothing to hide.
How expensive and difficult would it be to implement your policies in a public school?
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You need to read the definition of libel, because you don't know what it means.
No point in telling her that. A few people have already given her the definition of libel and slander and she keeps insisting on using those terms incorrectly.
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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I'm wondering about the legality of taping someone without their knowledge and putting said tape on the internet. I believe the definition of slander is the truth or a lie that defames someone's character. I'm thinking this dad is the one who may be facing a lawsuit. There are right ways and wrong ways to handle things like this and this is the wrong way.
I disagree. If you have a disabled child, and someone is abusing them.....do what you have to do. Get those terrible teachers out of the school system.
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Old 04-29-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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How expensive and difficult would it be to implement your policies in a public school?
I really don't know. I do know that most of what we do and the level of services and resources we provide are significantly more costly than what a public district can provide. Hence the tuition.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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I disagree. If you have a disabled child, and someone is abusing them.....do what you have to do. Get those terrible teachers out of the school system.
When he sent his child into the school with a wire, he had no knowledge that the child was being abused. Would it have been okay for the father to assault the teacher until the teacher disclosed "the truth"? Legally, he committed a worse crime than that.

Why did he do this in secret if it was the correct action? He simply could have obtained consent and sent his child every day with a recording device. Instead, he moved forward committing a crime, and now is trying to use public opinion to justify and cover up his crime.

He has still taking a criminal act against and committing a tort against every child in that classroom too, including his own.

My main employment is law enforcement. If one of us did this, we would be out of a career.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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When he sent his child into the school with a wire, he had no knowledge that the child was being abused. Would it have been okay for the father to assault the teacher until the teacher disclosed "the truth"? Legally, he committed a worse crime than that.

Why did he do this in secret if it was the correct action? He simply could have obtained consent and sent his child every day with a recording device. Instead, he moved forward committing a crime, and now is trying to use public opinion to justify and cover up his crime.

He has still taking a criminal act against and committing a tort against every child in that classroom too, including his own.

My main employment is law enforcement. If one of us did this, we would be out of a career.
"The school district must obtain your written consent before any personally identifiable information about your child may be released to any person not otherwise entitled by law to have access to it"

Parents have a right to confidentiality. Their child has a right to privacy that this father breeched. As names were recorded by this father he violated the rights of the other parents and students privacy. If parents want to disclose the information that's their prerogative only.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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"The school district must obtain your written consent before any personally identifiable information about your child may be released to any person not otherwise entitled by law to have access to it"

Parents have a right to confidentiality. Their child has a right to privacy that this father breeched. As names were recorded by this father he violated the rights of the other parents and students privacy. If parents want to disclose the information that's their prerogative only.
The tape he released did not disclose any names. That is why some sections of the tape he released had been taken out.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca.
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More proof that the world has officially gone insane. Smh...
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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The tape he released did not disclose any names. That is why some sections of the tape he released had been taken out.
I am not sure if other children's names or identifying features were disclosed in the recording. This may well be the case...but by sections of the recording being removed, even ostensibly due to privacy concerns, I would imagine that it might open the door for questions about how much of the recording has been manipulated, overall, and might compromise the perception of validity. Like I have said, I don't really question the father's stance in this case...but I suspect he may have shot himself in the foot with his methods.
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