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Old 05-27-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My tax money goes to pay for freeways in Mississippi (as an example) that I will never use, while every morning I pay to use a turnpike to get me to my job in a timely fashion. That's not fair.
My tax money goes to pay the fire department, yet I've never had a fire. That's not fair! (Sarcasm)
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:20 PM
 
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Voting for the school board is nothing more than choosing who is going to spend my money.

I'm all in favor of public schooling, but the funding of that schooling needs to be voluntary, not by force.
Voluntarily funding schools? Are you serious? And what do you mean "by force"? Is the tax collector coming to your house and putting a gun to your head?
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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Voluntarily funding schools? Are you serious? And what do you mean "by force"? Is the tax collector coming to your house and putting a gun to your head?
He's a libertarian. He believes that taxes are collected by force because if you don't pay you can go to jail.

Libertarianism 101: What's the libertarian position on Taxes? - Dallas Libertarian | Examiner.com
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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I do not agree with statement if we tell any student he/she is an A student, he/she will be a really A student. I think we've done too much of that, and our education system is failing now compare with other countries.

We do need to give each child a chance to receive the best education: for them. Children and their families should be prepared to work hard to reach this goal, nothing should be taking for granted. Why 10 kids should suffer at class when all teacher's time is spend on one troublemaker?
I think voucher system can help us to introduce a competition between public schools and private schools and therefore to improve our educational system. Religious studies should be made optional in schools that can accept vouchers and parents should be able to pick the best school for their child (it could be school with emphasis in science or theater study or art or something else), but not the school assigned by some lotto system or people making their careers in politics.
IF you believe that drivel about how we're falling behind other countries, I have some links for you.

Education in China vs. U.S.: Don't Sweat Global Test Data - TIME

Education in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's Going On?: Girls' Education in India

Twenty years ago the Japanese educational system was all the rage. If we just did everything like Japan, we'd get their outcomes. Well, some people dug a little deeper, and it was found that one way Japan got their great statistics was by encouraging people whose kids weren't keeping up to take their kids out of school at "teach them at home".

Competition doesn't work in education that way it does selling widgets. It's a whole different ball game.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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Voluntarily funding schools? Are you serious? And what do you mean "by force"? Is the tax collector coming to your house and putting a gun to your head?
Why is that ludicrous, to voluntarily fund schools?

Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. Go ahead, report back.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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Why is that ludicrous, to voluntarily fund schools?

Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. Go ahead, report back.
It's ludicrous, because, well, it is. For example, you say you would fund the public schools voluntarily, but in other posts you complain bitterly about paying school taxes while also paying private school tuition.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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]It's ludicrous, because, well, it is. [/b] For example, you say you would fund the public schools voluntarily, but in other posts you complain bitterly about paying school taxes while also paying private school tuition.
Very articulate.

Look it up. I believe in public education, I've said so many times. What I want is to take the federal government out of education and allow parents to dictate what education they want for their children. I need to just copy and paste that.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:54 PM
 
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Very articulate.

Look it up. I believe in public education, I've said so many times. What I want is to take the federal government out of education and allow parents to dictate what education they want for their children. I need to just copy and paste that.
The federal government does very little of the funding. Most of the funding comes from the state governments and property taxes.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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Very articulate.

Look it up. I believe in public education, I've said so many times. What I want is to take the federal government out of education and allow parents to dictate what education they want for their children. I need to just copy and paste that.
Aren't you the one who accused me one time of a "personal attack" on Ronald Reagan? Yet you come up with this snark.

I don't need to cut and paste this:

The federal portion of K-12 education is 10% of the monies spent, and that includes the school lunch program. In some districts it is much less. For all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth about the federal govt, its role in education is minimal!
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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The federal government does very little of the funding. Most of the funding comes from the state governments and property taxes.
NCLB is a national program, as is "Race to the Top". The whole Dept. of Education should be dismantled.
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