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Old 05-25-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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Does competition improve educational outcomes? How? Do schools do better when they're competing against other schools? Or are these two ideas mostly incompatible?
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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No. How does one school compete against another? Who has the better sports? The most junk food at lunch?
Are we suggestingthat they can be compared on an academic level?
Do we not think that the academics of one school is influenced by community and home just as much as at another school? If there is a school in a wealthy area, will not most of the students do well? And the school in a depressed area will the students not do as well?
Do we really and truly believe the teachers are better in one school than the other?
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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. . . How does one school compete against another?
Not that hard to figure out.

Let the kids and parent select which schools they want to send their kids to.

Kids and parents will want and choose the better schools and slacker school operations will lose enrollment and go out of business.

Have we really all become this dumb that folks cannot figure this out?
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Not that hard to figure out.

Let the kids and parent select which schools they want to send their kids to.

Kids and parents will want and choose the better schools and slacker school operations will lose enrollment and go out of business.

Have we really all become this dumb that folks cannot figure this out?
The slacker schools will just offer cash back. We have had it happen with charter schools here. Several million dollars missing off the books that apparently went out as embezzlement, kickbacks, and shady real estate deals.

Think about it... if you are a single parent with 2 kids below the poverty line, are you going to pick the best school academically, or are you going to pick the school that offers you a $6k/kid kickback and free babysitting until 5 pm?
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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The slacker schools will just offer cash back. We have had it happen with charter schools here. Several million dollars missing off the books that apparently went out as embezzlement, kickbacks, and shady real estate deals.

Think about it... if you are a single parent with 2 kids below the poverty line, are you going to pick the best school academically, or are you going to pick the school that offers you a $6k/kid kickback and free babysitting until 5 pm?
And will parents really choose the schools that offer the best education and challenge their kids, or the ones that offer the path of least resistance and effort? School accountability probably needs to be paired with parental accountability for this idea to work.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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The slacker schools will just offer cash back. We have had it happen with charter schools here. Several million dollars missing off the books that apparently went out as embezzlement, kickbacks, and shady real estate deals.

Think about it... if you are a single parent with 2 kids below the poverty line, are you going to pick the best school academically, or are you going to pick the school that offers you a $6k/kid kickback and free babysitting until 5 pm?
So who went to jail at your schools there, wherever "here," is?

That is called a "kick-back" in .gov contracting.

What you are describing is a kick-back, and this is .gov money contracts, and those are crimes being conducted by criminals.

Toss the punk administrator doing the kickbacks in hard-time prison with the kids he has been screwing out an education, and let him be a girlfriend for a year. I am pretty sure that would help the other crooked administrators focus on doing their job.

This is getting so silly the US Public Schools have become a lame soap opera.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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And will parents really choose the schools that offer the best education and challenge their kids,
We would, but do you understand we are specifically NOT offered that choice?

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or the ones that offer the path of least resistance and effort?
So maybe dumb, lazy parents lead to dumb, lazy kids, but . . .

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School accountability probably needs to be paired with parental accountability for this idea to work.
. . . what we are finding are dumb, lazy schools.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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Not that hard to figure out.

Let the kids and parent select which schools they want to send their kids to.

Kids and parents will want and choose the better schools and slacker school operations will lose enrollment and go out of business.

Have we really all become this dumb that folks cannot figure this out?
And since there will clearly be more applicants than spots how do we choose who goes where?
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:28 PM
 
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And since there will clearly be more applicants than spots how do we choose who goes where?
Well, well. Isn't this something?

This went quick from being a terrible Bad Thing to pretty much acknowledging that it would Such a Good Thing, there might not be enough to go around?



btw, I agree with you.

But again, have we really become so dumb in America we cannot figure this out, as well?

As the students (and the money) run to the Good School model and abandon and de-fund the Bad School operations, the Good Schools expand and the Bad Schools are ran out of business.

Every year the Flight-to-Quality keep the push on the remaining Good Schools to do well and/or better.

Is this really So Hard to get?
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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Is this really So Hard to get?
It's not about "not getting it," it's about being skeptical about this actually coming anywhere close to working out as proponents suggest it will.

I think you overestimate what many "customers" (students/parents) want from education. Sure many families are looking for the right things and thus will make the right decision, but a big chunk (perhaps even a majority) are not. They will take their money to a school that serves whatever needs they're looking for, even if these needs aren't centered around getting their child an education...they may ultimately be "happy customers," but the schools created by their demands may not be successful and may be a far cry from the types of goals we'd like to see American schools reach.
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