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Old 08-19-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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Let's see what kind of discussion we can get going in City Data on IB.

Last edited by toobusytoday; 08-21-2012 at 08:19 AM.. Reason: removed petition - Solicitation is not allowed on this site

 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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I graduated from IB. There is no political agenda, period. They teach some basic philosophy, but that's pretty much the only part of the program that is unusual. My school combined it with AP classes and there really wasn't much difference except for the tests. If you think teaching "global citizenship" and "internationalmindedness" is controversial, wait until you see what they teach in college.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Let's see what kind of discussion we can get going in City Data on IB. I'll start. Please sign the following petition to remove IB from American public schools:

Petition Remove IB From Public Education In America
Not only would I never sign such a petition, but I hope you get very little support. IB is an excellent program and educates kids to a world class standard.

My granddaughter just finished 4th grade in an IB elementary school and I am quite sad that the middle school does not do the IB program (when we moved here the district was supposed to go all IB, but money became a problem).
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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I graduated from IB. There is no political agenda, period. They teach some basic philosophy, but that's pretty much the only part of the program that is unusual. My school combined it with AP classes and there really wasn't much difference except for the tests. If you think teaching "global citizenship" and "internationalmindedness" is controversial, wait until you see what they teach in college.
I'm surprised your school combined AP and IB classes. We're being told by the IB folks we can't do that and if it happens our certification as an IBDP school will be witheld.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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Let's see what kind of discussion we can get going in City Data on IB. I'll start. Please sign the following petition to remove IB from American public schools:

Petition Remove IB From Public Education In America
Not on a bet.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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I graduated from IB. There is no political agenda, period. They teach some basic philosophy, but that's pretty much the only part of the program that is unusual. My school combined it with AP classes and there really wasn't much difference except for the tests. If you think teaching "global citizenship" and "internationalmindedness" is controversial, wait until you see what they teach in college.

Ahhh. Eevee , as from V?

Yes, there absolutely is a political agenda tied to IB and it is the agenda of the UN.

Why don't you describe for me exactly what constitutes a "global citizen" and what government or country defends the rights of a "global citizen"?
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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I'm surprised your school combined AP and IB classes. We're being told by the IB folks we can't do that and if it happens our certification as an IBDP school will be witheld.

Because most schools which purchase IB do so in a stealth manner and when people find out that becoming IB usually results in the elimination of AP, in some districts the administrators try to claim that they "combine" IB and AP. The IB course content takes priority. Many schools push IB kids to also sit the AP exams (even if they fail them) because this elevates a school on The Best High Schools List put out by Jay Mathews of the Washington Post, formerly of Newsweek. Jay's formula only counts warm bodies in his ratio, not passing scores.

However, I doubt IBO would actually revoke a school's authorization. It's simply too money hungry an organization without any standards for granting authorization in the first place, except for the checks to clear the bank.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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Not only would I never sign such a petition, but I hope you get very little support. IB is an excellent program and educates kids to a world class standard.

My granddaughter just finished 4th grade in an IB elementary school and I am quite sad that the middle school does not do the IB program (when we moved here the district was supposed to go all IB, but money became a problem).
WHOSE "world class standard"? The IB PYP is NOT a curriculum and there are no IB assessments at the PYP level. You drank the Kool Aid.

IB is an outrageously expensive, proprietary program(me) based out of Geneva, Switzerland which operates under Swiss Law. At the PYP and MYP levels, IB is nothing more than a collection of "themes" which promote Progressive "beliefs and values". There is absolutely zero evidence that the IB PYP or MYP improves student's academic achievement.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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Ahhh. Eevee , as from V?

Yes, there absolutely is a political agenda tied to IB and it is the agenda of the UN.

Why don't you describe for me exactly what constitutes a "global citizen" and what government or country defends the rights of a "global citizen"?
Ridiculous. Americans need to compete in a global economy. IB has high standards and the kids learn a lot.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 02:40 PM
 
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Ridiculous. Americans need to compete in a global economy. IB has high standards and the kids learn a lot.

Ahhh, the global economy. Yes, Keynesian economics, Obamanomics and socialism are working well for Europe, aren't they? I guess you think the UN Declaration of Human Rights should supersede our U.S. Constitution, yes? Don't you see that what IB preaches is exactly what is going to undermine American exceptionalism and our ability to compete in a free market?
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