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Higher achieving parents tend to have stronger DNA&values; tend to have kids when they can afford them; tend to reside in affluent suburbs w/decent public schools and affordable, newer suburban housing or, if truly wealthy and can afford a new mansion in City of SF's PacHts or Manhattan's UES or LA's Westside or Dall's PrestHoll or Hou's RivOaks or Chic's LP, fork over money for allegedly safer, better private schools; are often alums of elite colleges and/or are major donors so admit rates of kids are self-selected
And allegedly better schools correlate poorly with success of kids in careers....reverse the analysis and ask who are the highest-earning engineers in SiliconValley or hedgies in Manhattan or SF? Why so many from mundane public suburban schools, not elite public/private schools, nor crap city schools? Why so many white guys? Why so few Chinese? Why so few blacks/Mexicans? Why so few females? Why doesn't affirm action work in creating politically correct, diverse outcomes in Darwinian industries like tech or finance?
"Diversity" of student body at Stanford/Harvard is a poor indicator of which kids prove most productive and highest-achieving in competitive, Darwinian industries like tech or finance, not unlike NBA....to be sure, lots of trust fund kids are remarkably weak, showing rapid regression to mean, even those of today's tech billionaires, let alone those whose rich pa was more lucky than bright and made his money in some rent-seeking industry....
As long as the Asian students (or any other student) are in the USA legally, I don't see any way to keep them from attending whichever public school for which they qualify.
Higher achieving parents tend to have stronger DNA&values; tend to have kids when they can afford them; tend to reside in affluent suburbs w/decent public schools and affordable, newer suburban housing or, if truly wealthy and can afford a new mansion in City of SF's PacHts or Manhattan's UES or LA's Westside or Dall's PrestHoll or Hou's RivOaks or Chic's LP, fork over money for allegedly safer, better private schools; are often alums of elite colleges and/or are major donors so admit rates of kids are self-selected
And allegedly better schools correlate poorly with success of kids in careers....reverse the analysis and ask who are the highest-earning engineers in SiliconValley or hedgies in Manhattan or SF? Why so many from mundane public suburban schools, not elite public/private schools, nor crap city schools? Why so many white guys? Why so few Chinese? Why so few blacks/Mexicans? Why so few females? Why doesn't affirm action work in creating politically correct, diverse outcomes in Darwinian industries like tech or finance?
"Diversity" of student body at Stanford/Harvard is a poor indicator of which kids prove most productive and highest-achieving in competitive, Darwinian industries like tech or finance, not unlike NBA....to be sure, lots of trust fund kids are remarkably weak, showing rapid regression to mean, even those of today's tech billionaires, let alone those whose rich pa was more lucky than bright and made his money in some rent-seeking industry....
That's a very good point. Proving that to be successful in a lot of industries, it's not how smart you are, or how hard-working -- it's how much you look like the people hiring you --- i.e. white males.
However in finance, in my experience you do see a lot of Ivy Leaguers , because again people like to hire people like themselves.
Again, for people who actually read the attached article, the Whites, Blacks and Hispanics who could not get into the elite schools could have attended prep classes for the standardized test for FREE but did not want to work hard and attend. They just want to get into the school because they got good grades at their schools where anyone with a pulse could get an A.
I was reading an interesting article about how a majority of the students getting into the elite PUBLIC High Schools in New York City (as well as elsewhere) are now mostly Asian. The main way the students can get into these schools- with their extremely challenging academics- is by scoring very highly in a standardized tests.
The Asian students who want to get into these elite High Schools will study 12-14 hours a day and take all kinds of prep classes to help them score high on the tests. FREE prep classes are available for Black and Hispanic students but they rarely enroll. Their advocates say they should be allowed to get into these elite PUBLIC High Schools based on their grades or teacher recommendations even if they score poorly on the entrance tests. Critics say that a good GPA or strong recommendations by teachers from a poor middle school does not really show they are strong enough students to survive the elite High School's academics. The percentage of students who are White is dropping also as many white students can't compete with the Asians who study 14 hours a day.
Critics say that if you let Non Asian students who score below the mean on the entrance tests they will have to lower academic standards and the elite students will suffer. But other critics say it is not fair to only let kids in who score well on the test. What do you think?
The solution is to make everyone competitive regardless of race. Not to let non-competitive races slide into positions in elite schools that they did not earn. It's not an easy solution, but it's the the only long-term solution. Raise the quality of education for those who generally under-perform.
The most logical and rational post on this thread thus far
So what the OP is saying is that kids that study, take prep classes to put them ahead, have high GPA's, work for it, take the entrance exam to get in make it and those that don't never have a chance to get in.
Also the op stated that everything is free and anyone could put the same effort in to getting into the schools. No one is keeping anyone from getting into the better schools.
I don't see the problem here. Let those that work for it go to the better schools and those that don't can go some where else.
The Asian students who want to get into these elite High Schools will study 12-14 hours a day and take all kinds of prep classes to help them score high on the tests.
This is a ridiculous claim. Please people, be more rigorous in what you post. And saying 'it's an exaggeration' doesn't make it ok to lie. As an Asian who went to a specialized hs, I barely studied for the test and the little I did was not helpful for it.
Edit: I just read the article and the only '12 hours a day' it mentions seems to be the kids parents who work 12 hours shifts at a laundromat. It does not state the students study this long (not that I should have to point out the obvious).
Last edited by sandlines; 10-30-2012 at 09:58 AM..
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