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Old 03-26-2013, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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If you were to have the opportunity to talk to a typical high school student from various states, could you tell, by talking to them, the quality of the education they receive in that state, the amount of money spent in that state to educate them?

I was recently in Sacramento, having opporunites to talk to some of the younger set, at rail stops, bus stops, various locales within the city, and I was awestruck at some of these younger people, how articulate they were, how refined, cultured, for their age. I was tempted to ask, many times: What planet do you come from?

I live in Nevada, where our education system ranks among the lowest in the country, and it's beginning to click, more and more, you get what you pay for?

One of my co-workers moved to Texas, from Nevada, and she had to hold one of her children back a year, just to catch up with the standards in Texas.

What do you think? Spending more money on education creates this, or are other factors at work?
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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If you were to have the opportunity to talk to a typical high school student from various states, could you tell, by talking to them, the quality of the education they receive in that state, the amount of money spent in that state to educate them?

I was recently in Sacramento, having opporunites to talk to some of the younger set, at rail stops, bus stops, various locales within the city, and I was awestruck at some of these younger people, how articulate they were, how refined, cultured, for their age. I was tempted to ask, many times: What planet do you come from?

I live in Nevada, where our education system ranks among the lowest in the country, and it's beginning to click, more and more, you get what you pay for?

One of my co-workers moved to Texas, from Nevada, and she had to hold one of her children back a year, just to catch up with the standards in Texas.

What do you think? Spending more money on education creates this, or are other factors at work?
I think that it's more to do with the emphasis placed upon education and achievement by the parents.

I live in NJ and some of our worst performing districts are some of the most expensive in the nation. I'm talking 18K - 20K (no typo) per head spent and climbing.

I've lived in the white collar suburbs of St. Louis and Houston and now NJ.

In each case the schools were good with high graduation rates and college bound students.

Parents are instrumental in having children strive for success.
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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You've really got lots of variables to deal with. #1 being social class.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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Here in Las Vegas/Clark County, as we increase taxes/spending, CCSD increases district administration disproportionately. Money does need to be spent, but, in 14 years, I have never seen it spent appropriately. If you were in Sacramento, you were in the state's capital and, perhaps an affluent area. Had you gone to Oakland, you would have seen something quite different. If you went to Carson City, I imagine your impression would be similar to what you saw in Sacramento.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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If you were to have the opportunity to talk to a typical high school student from various states, could you tell, by talking to them, the quality of the education they receive in that state, the amount of money spent in that state to educate them?
Probably not. Peers and genetics and %ESL and parent education levels and demographics correlate stronger to academic success than does education $/student. Schools with high performing students don't get that many more dollars per student than schools with low performing students.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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I think that it's more to do with the emphasis placed upon education and achievement by the parents.

I live in NJ and some of our worst performing districts are some of the most expensive in the nation. I'm talking 18K - 20K (no typo) per head spent and climbing.

I've lived in the white collar suburbs of St. Louis and Houston and now NJ.

In each case the schools were good with high graduation rates and college bound students.

Parents are instrumental in having children strive for success.
Amen...

Show me a poor-performing school district, and I'll show you a community where a large number of kids don't have a father around...


but I'm now a horrible bigot for pointing out this FACT.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Amen...

Show me a poor-performing school district, and I'll show you a community where a large number of kids don't have a father around...


but I'm now a horrible bigot for pointing out this FACT.
Relax, I doubt too many people are going to disagree with you.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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Relax, I doubt too many people are going to disagree with you.
Sorry, thought this was Facebook for a moment.
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