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Old 08-11-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Gee, I hope they all got a trophy.
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Old 08-11-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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LOL..just make everyone in the graduating class a valedictorian and be done with it.
Then there's no need to angst or increase the number of qualified each year.

It's pretty hard to top anyone these days because everyone is on top.
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When there are 7 of them, I don't either.

Back in the stone ages when I went to school, if we had a tie in GPA, they looked at extra curricular activities and picked one. The other one was salutatorian.

IMO, if a school is, consistently having more than one Valedictorian, they need to up their game. Valedictorian is supposed to mean you're the best in your class not in the top 6%.
Back, pre-stone age (1960) when my sister graduated from high school there were three students with perfect 4 point averages, including her, in a class of 650 students. The school administration choose one boy to be the valedictorian and give the graduation speech because he was a good speaker (totally ignoring the fact that my sister had just won top place in the entire state for a very competitive speaking contest). The other boy was named salutatorian. And the third person, with the exact same grade point, got, zero, zip , nada, nothing, not even a verbal statement that she also had a solid A average all four years of high school mentioned during graduation.

Why? Because she was a girl and in 1960, in her high school, girls could not be valedictorians or salutatorians because that role was reserved for boys only.

To all of you, under 70 year olds out there, who are saying that couldn't happen. You are wrong! Well, it happened, and things like that happened a lot at that time.

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Old 08-11-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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Wow... I guess this shouldn't surprise me these days, but it did when I read it.

7 valedictorians? sheesh...

My class had 850 students. One valedictorian.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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I am 69 and our valedictorians in high school were more likely to be girls than boys.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My school did away with valedictorians for this reason. I graduated with straight A's and took all the AP/honors courses the school offered, but still graduated 17th in my class. Kids were so desperate to graduate at the top that they had their parents signing them out of mandatory classes like health or PE, because those weren't honors level classes (so they brought down GPAs). My parents wouldn't play those games, so I was #17.

Other students would take PE at the community college (no joke!) so that they got college credits and the weighted GPA points for it. Our #1 student ended up being someone who transferred to the school junior year. Her previous school offered freshman/sophomore AP courses that we didn't have, so she had a higher GPA.

I don't see a point to valedictorians.
That kind of stuff was going on at my kids' high school as well, so they went to an honors group.
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The concept of valedictorian needs to go if one person is not clearly at the top of the class. I can see having two people tie. Once it gets past that, the title is worthless. I suspect college admissions committees are just going to laugh when they see an applicant was one of 28 valedictorians. It also suggests a significant degree of grade inflation.

The better approach would be to recognize every student who excels academically, perhaps by noting honors on the diploma.

The commencement speaker could be the class president or someone selected by the class to represent them.

I graduated from a public high school in 1966. There were about 450 in my class. We did not name a valedictorian.

My sons graduated from a private school with smaller class sizes. That school also does not name a valedictorian, but the top 10% of the class is acknowledged. There are also prizes for accomplishments in different areas.
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Back, pre-stone age (1960) when my sister graduated from high school there were three students with perfect 4 point averages, including her, in a class of 650 students. The school administration choose one boy to be the valedictorian and give the graduation speech because he was a good speaker (totally ignoring the fact that my sister had just won top place in the entire state for a very competitive speaking contest). The other boy was named salutatorian. And the third person, with the exact same grade point, got, zero, zip , nada, nothing, not even a verbal statement that she also had a solid A average all four years of high school mentioned during graduation.

Why? Because she was a girl and in 1960, in her high school, girls could not be valedictorians or salutatorians because that role was reserved for boys only.

To all of you, under 70 year olds out there, who are saying that couldn't happen. You are wrong! Well, it happened, and things like that happened a lot at that time.
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I am 69 and our valedictorians in high school were more likely to be girls than boys.
I'm not sure when our hometown high school started allowing female valedictorians, it may have only been a few years after the incident that I mentioned. My sister reported that some of the female faculty members were quite upset about the situation, thought it was very unfair and tried to change the "unwritten policy".

Over the years I have had others tell me that the same type of thing happened at their school as well (years ago, certainly not in recent years).

BTW The high school guidance counselor told my sister not to even attempt going to college because she "wasn't smart enough to graduate". My sister, with a straight A average and was a Merit Scholar Finalist not smart enough to graduate from college? That was very poor advice.

After she was selected for Phi Beta Kappa (the highest academic achievement for college students) and again received straight As all four years from a very competitive University she sent the guidance counselor a very polite letter suggesting that he rethink his attitudes towards women in education.

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Old 08-11-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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None of these "honors" mean a thing anymore. Everyone is special. Everyone gets a trophy. Everyone is wonderful.

I dread seeing what this country is going to be like in 15 - 20 years when these "special little snowflakes" are running things!
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:02 AM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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GACK! On the surface this appears evenh more disgusting than gaging with a silver spoon..
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