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Old 08-19-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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Christina Hoff Sommers: School Has Become Hostile to Boys | TIME.com

From the time my oldest son entered school (1999) I have felt that the typical school environment is hostile to the natural development of boys. Is it really necessary to thwart the normal narrative of boys in schools?
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Today, many schools (Common Core and No Child Left Behind) thwart the normal narrative for ALL students...
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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That has not been our experience.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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Just got done reading this on yahoo. Did schools REALLY rename 'tug of war' to 'tug of peace', and ban dodgeball, and red rover? Good grief.

I'm just waiting for the first kid to get expelled for picking a dandelion as it shows aggression towards another living creature.

Mike
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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That has not been our experience.
I am glad to hear that there are some places where boys are still allowed to be boys. When my kids were in elementary school the principal banned soccer, two hand touch football, and tag. It was crazy.

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Just got done reading this on yahoo. Did schools REALLY rename 'tug of war' to 'tug of peace', and ban dodgeball, and red rover? Good grief.

I'm just waiting for the first kid to get expelled for picking a dandelion as it shows aggression towards another living creature.

Mike
Changing the name of games doesn't bother me as much as it bothers me that some teachers find it necessary to redirect the imaginative play of boys on a daily basis.
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Old 08-20-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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I do believe that schools are 'hostile' towards violence and in many cases it is a good thing. What's not so good is that often young boys pretending to be violent are caught up in this before they have learned what is acceptable in a school setting.

Sadly, in today's times with the school shootings that have occurred the schools really have no choice but to take the "better to be safe than sorry" route. It's just a fact of life today.

Regarding things like tag, I've seen kids shoving kids down into the blacktop playing 'tag' giving them nasty scrapes. Or pushing them into the monkey bars bringing blood. I've seen them hold down a kid so the person who is 'it' can tag them with both hands leaving marks. This is not the game of tag from when I was a kid.....I don't have a problem with it being banned......
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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I do believe that schools are 'hostile' towards violence and in many cases it is a good thing. What's not so good is that often young boys pretending to be violent are caught up in this before they have learned what is acceptable in a school setting.

Sadly, in today's times with the school shootings that have occurred the schools really have no choice but to take the "better to be safe than sorry" route. It's just a fact of life today.

Regarding things like tag, I've seen kids shoving kids down into the blacktop playing 'tag' giving them nasty scrapes. Or pushing them into the monkey bars bringing blood. I've seen them hold down a kid so the person who is 'it' can tag them with both hands leaving marks. This is not the game of tag from when I was a kid.....I don't have a problem with it being banned......
How is letting a boy play superheroes unsafe?
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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I actually have more issues with changing names than banning them outright

It's very difficult to monitor play and determine what is friendly and what isn't. It's also a time with heightened sensitivity to bullying (rightfully so) and a higher sensitivity to lawsuits (again, rightfully so even if I don't agree with the more litigious approach)

While I'm not in favor of bans, I can understand it .... because the natural path of a lot of young boys is to beat on and punish others, target the weak, settle scores, etc

The amount of play during school is fairly limited as it is though .... what is done and allowed during school organized play shouldn't be the only play experience a kid has ..... what is stopping you as a parent to hosting an activity day and setting up those games? We would play king of the mountain on plowed mounds in parking lots, snowball fights, horseshoe nut fights, football games and a wide range of other activities.

The amount of play we had outside of the school was definitely the bulk of our time and typically a lot more physical and if anything playing like that outside of school led us to maybe ramping it up a little during school.

However, I see no reason why if it is the natural path for boys to play like that then they would be inclined to play like that in a more open structure that should contain the bulk of their play time with restraint being an important lesson in the more structured school play environment
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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When I was a kid, our school was very negative towards boys. I felt awful for my brother and all who were targets of a principal (who was male oddly enough) that really had it out for many male students. As a parent now, I have made sure my son was not in the same kind of environment I grew up in. Not to say there isn't an expected code of conduct where he is, but it is equal for male and female students. His experience has been very positive.

They still play dodgeball, too.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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How is letting a boy play superheroes unsafe?
I have no idea what you mean...I didn't say anything about superheroes it in my post. Can't say I have heard of them being deemed unsafe either.
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