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Old 12-03-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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Shanghai, Singapore and Hong Kong (all Chinese societies) still top all categories. The US keeps falling behind.

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Maths
1 China Shanghai, China 613
2 Singapore 573
3 Hong Kong, China 561
4 Taiwan 560
5 Korea 554
6 Macau, China 538
7 Japan 536
8 Liechtenstein 535
9 Switzerland 531
10 Netherlands 523
11 Estonia 521
12 Finland 519
13 Canada 518
14 Poland 518
15 Belgium 515
16 Germany 514
17 Vietnam 511
18 Austria 506
19 Australia 504
20 Ireland 501
21 Slovenia 501
22 Denmark 500
23 New Zealand 500
24 Czech Republic 499
25 France 495
26 United Kingdom 494
27 Iceland 493
28 Latvia 491
29 Luxembourg 490
30 Norway 489
31 Portugal 487
32 Italy 485
33 Spain 484
34 Russia 482
35 Slovakia 482
36 United States 481
37 Lithuania 479
38 Sweden 478
39 Hungary 477
40 Croatia 471
41 Israel 466
42 Greece 453
43 Serbia 449
44 Turkey 448
45 Romania 445
46 Cyprus 440
47 Bulgaria 439
48 United Arab Emirates 434
49 Kazakhstan 432
50 Thailand 427
51 Chile 423
52 Malaysia 421
53 Mexico 413
54 Montenegro 410
55 Uruguay 409
56 Costa Rica 407
57 Albania 394
58 Brazil 391
59 Argentina 388
60 Tunisia 388
61 Jordan 386
62 Colombia 376
63 Qatar 376
64 Indonesia 375
65 Peru 368

Sciences
1 China Shanghai, China 580
2 Hong Kong, China 555
3 Singapore 551
4 Japan 547
5 Finland 545
6 Estonia 541
7 Korea 538
8 Vietnam 528
9 Poland 526
10 Liechtenstein 525
11 Canada 525
12 Germany 524
13 Taiwan 523
14 Netherlands 522
15 Ireland 522
16 Macau, China 521
17 Australia 521
18 New Zealand 516
19 Switzerland 515
20 Slovenia 514
21 United Kingdom 514
22 Czech Republic 508
23 Austria 506
24 Belgium 505
25 Latvia 502
26 France 499
27 Denmark 498
28 United States 497
29 Spain 496
30 Lithuania 496
31 Norway 495
32 Italy 494
33 Hungary 494
34 Luxembourg 491
35 Croatia 491
36 Portugal 489
37 Russia 486
38 Sweden 485
39 Iceland 478
40 Slovakia 471
41 Israel 470
42 Greece 467
43 Turkey 463
44 United Arab Emirates 448
45 Bulgaria 446
46 Serbia 445
47 Chile 445
48 Thailand 444
49 Romania 439
50 Cyprus 438
51 Costa Rica 429
52 Kazakhstan 425
53 Malaysia 420
54 Uruguay 416
55 Mexico 415
56 Montenegro 410
57 Jordan 409
58 Argentina 406
59 Brazil 405
60 Colombia 399
61 Tunisia 398
62 Albania 397
63 Qatar 384
64 Indonesia 382
65 Peru 373

Reading
1 China Shanghai, China 570
2 Hong Kong, China 545
3 Singapore 542
4 Japan 538
5 Korea 536
6 Finland 524
7 Taiwan 523
8 Canada 523
9 Ireland 523
10 Poland 518
11 Liechtenstein 516
12 Estonia 516
13 Australia 512
14 New Zealand 512
15 Netherlands 511
16 Macau, China 509
17 Switzerland 509
18 Belgium 509
19 Germany 508
20 Vietnam 508
21 France 505
22 Norway 504
23 United Kingdom 499
24 United States 498
25 Denmark 496
26 Czech Republic 493
27 Austria 490
28 Italy 490
29 Latvia 489
30 Luxembourg 488
31 Portugal 488
32 Spain 488
33 Hungary 488
34 Israel 486
35 Croatia 485
36 Iceland 483
37 Sweden 483
38 Slovenia 481
39 Lithuania 477
40 Greece 477
41 Russia 475
42 Turkey 475
43 Slovakia 463
44 Cyprus 449
45 Serbia 446
46 United Arab Emirates 442
47 Thailand 441
48 Chile 441
49 Costa Rica 441
50 Romania 438
51 Bulgaria 436
52 Mexico 424
53 Montenegro 422
54 Uruguay 411
55 Brazil 410
56 Tunisia 404
57 Colombia 403
58 Jordan 399
59 Malaysia 398
60 Argentina 396
61 Indonesia 396
62 Albania 394
63 Kazakhstan 393
64 Qatar 388
65 Peru 384
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:43 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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In almost all those other countries which kids go on to high school? In the US which kids go on to high school? Answer that, and then adjust for it, and the US gets to look a lot better.

Or, you can take out the 26 Special ED kids at my school who were "randomly" selected to do the PISA last year (out of 50 total). How do you think they did on the tests?
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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In almost all those other countries which kids go on to high school? In the US which kids go on to high school? Answer that, and then adjust for it, and the US gets to look a lot better.

Or, you can take out the 26 Special ED kids at my school who were "randomly" selected to do the PISA last year (out of 50 total). How do you think they did on the tests?
You can compare the US with Canada then. Canada beats the US in all categories.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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In almost all those other countries which kids go on to high school? In the US which kids go on to high school? Answer that, and then adjust for it, and the US gets to look a lot better.

Or, you can take out the 26 Special ED kids at my school who were "randomly" selected to do the PISA last year (out of 50 total). How do you think they did on the tests?
You can't do that.
We "reformed" education.
This is how our reformed education performs when put to the international test.

The US went from #23 (2003) to #36 (2012) in less than 10 years.
I think it shows that NCLB really didn't work.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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You can compare the US with Canada then. Canada beats the US in all categories.
And your point? Query: does Canada have the level of diversity as one finds in the US? Or immigration of non-English speaking students (who are also PISAed in the US)?

As a note, the US education system is nearly unique in the world in the requirement that all students receive an academic style education through to graduation.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You can compare the US with Canada then. Canada beats the US in all categories.
Tell me, do Canadian parents actually take an active role in their children's education until after little Junior fails his first test like Americans do? To me this is a good chunk of it. Along with NCLB.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And your point? Query: does Canada have the level of diversity as one finds in the US? Or immigration of non-English speaking students (who are also PISAed in the US)?

As a note, the US education system is nearly unique in the world in the requirement that all students receive an academic style education through to graduation.
But we did that to ourselves with reform.
We used to have 2 tracks..academic and vocational.
We decided that everyone gets an academic education.
We decided that every student will be college ready.

Yet PISA scores don't reflect that.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Default Worldwide Education Rankings

Shanghai teens are #1 in international education rankings ...

Shanghai teens top international education ranking, OECD says - CNN.com

While the US kiddos come in at # 36.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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At first glance the United States appears to do poorly on international academic achievement tests. But that's because of the “diversity” of its population.

When you break it down by the racial/ethnic groups tracked by No Child Left Behind, you find that the United States does quite well. Each group performs favorably when compared to their counterparts in the rest of the world.

USA groups and selected states in red here: Steve Sailer: iSteve: Graph of 2012 PISA scores for 65 countries/economies
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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^^I think this graph paints a much more accurate picture:

Asian Americans and White Americans do well compared to other developed nations. Hispanic Americans and Black Americans do even better compared to Latin Americans and Africans, respectively.

Thank the United States for all its educational opportunities.
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