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Old 12-18-2013, 12:21 PM
 
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What is your point?
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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SAT I think is okay, sure the Reading and the Writing sections are retarded, but I actually really enjoyed the Math. The Math section pretty much threw you out there on your own and said "Give the right answers within the time limit, no other rules". The SAT, unlike many teachers and professors, doesn't force you to show your work, it only cares about the answer, which I think is the right approach to math. Who the f*ck cares if I got the answer using a non-uniform method, if the answer is correct then obviously the method works. I remember how in Middle School on a quiz I got every single question right, yet I got a f*cking 50% because the teacher took off half a point whenever I didn't show the work. Rather, I did show my work, but it wasn't the "right" type of work.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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I wonder how long the OP took to write the four plus paragraphs that kicked off this thread.
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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Test scores merely help a student get into college. That's it. Once they get into college (be it Ivy League or community college), they need to perform. Period.

Students that absorb the material and can apply the information to the real world are the ones that will succeed.

10 years after high school graduation, no one will remember (or care about) a student's scores.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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Wait - I get it. You're writing a college essay, and you're using us to edit and improve it...right?
No, I'm not. I just think America should focus more on quality rather than quantity.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Standardized tests are all that stand between us and the infrastructure damage of social promotion
70% plus of those taking gct military exam with a high school diploma, flunk it
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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We live in a Darwin based culture. Darwinism is promoted in public education. Why would you be surprised that students are treated as lab rats (don't want to insult monkeys)? As for the "process" of getting to an answer, actually getting the correct answer, especially in math, makes the difference in whether the space shuttle (example) flies or not. I don't care about the process of how my car works, I want the thing to run when I turn the key. This philosophy that "you are all winners" is patently absurd. In every group, there are levels of achievement with some lower levels achieving little or even nothing. It is the way of humanity and no education philosophy will alter it. The standardized tests are legal means to thin the herd. The herd will always be thinned even in the most socialistic of societies.
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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I just think America should focus more on quality rather than quantity.
And yet you got upset when I critiqued your repeated use of the word "crap".

(Think about it for a while. No one times you on CD.) Is what you produce a reflection of your belief in quality over quantity?

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Old 12-19-2013, 01:07 AM
 
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Btw, some facts, SAT test prep is remarkably ineffective. Additionally, SAT scores correlate remarkably well with IQ scores, which btw cannot be "tutored" for. So logic and fact says you are wrong, the majority of people with high sat scored get the not due to "tutoring" but rather their own intelligence.
Patently untrue. I'm an SAT tutor. The SAT tests a specific set of skills that students with high IQs often naturally score better at when taken with no preparation, but the skill set that is tested is quite predictable and quite easily learned by anyone with the motivation to memorize. I've had students with starting scores of 300 per section rise to 700 per section. I've had students with 4.0 GPAs not able to budge above the mid-400s per SAT section - because they're not good at/motivated to learn the skills the SAT tests, not because they are or are not smart. The SAT tests skepticism and creativity more than any knowledge or true skill.

All that said, I agree that in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty useless test, inherently (and purposefully, btw) biased for those who don't invest in test prep, and that the education system has its priorities completely wrong. But it's the system as a whole; the SAT is a cog in horribly malfunctioning wheel.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:05 AM
 
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And yet you got upset when I critiqued your repeated use of the word "crap".

(Think about it for a while. No one times you on CD.) Is what you produce a reflection of your belief in quality over quantity?
I am very down to the point, nitty-gritty, in my writing. I also write very causually I like to tell it how it is. I was using "crap" because I didn't want to curse. But, who is to say that "crap" wasn't the right word. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder because you know, what the sixth grader English teacher taught you might not have been right.

And yes, I was on a time limit since I have A TON to do this week.
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