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Old 01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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This is specific to Ohio, but it's probably fairly consistent nationwide. Thoughts?

Poverty and special needs eat up 40 percent of urban school dollars, statewide study says | cleveland.com
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:12 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I have been saying this very thing for years. People scream about the high cost of education, talk about their classes way back when that had 35+ kids in it with no discipline problems, and bash teachers when the real problem is the changing focus of the schools from institutes of education to institutes of caretaking and child rearing.
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:38 AM
 
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How truly discouraging.

I have long felt that a school board with the power to tax is more of a threat to me, personally, than any terrorist organization. The town where I live is overrun with "refugees" who have been literally forced out of their homes in New Jersey (for example) by property tax.
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Old 01-10-2014, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The Rhee-formers would say that is just an excuse and to open more charter schools.
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I have been saying this very thing for years. People scream about the high cost of education, talk about their classes way back when that had 35+ kids in it with no discipline problems, and bash teachers when the real problem is the changing focus of the schools from institutes of education to institutes of caretaking and child rearing.
I agree. Academics is being watered down and taking a back seat.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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The Rhee-formers would say that is just an excuse and to open more charter schools.
Charter schools that ironically will find ways to filter out students with special needs so that they can save money and juke test scores.
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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I used to work with special needs kids in a public school district, and was amazed at the amount of money they required be spent. The schools didn't want to spend it but often had no choice. The laws are on the parents side, and they would often come to initial IEP meetings with lawyers and/or advocates, and hand a list of demands to the child study team with what they wanted, including bus aides, special therapies, even their own personal teacher in some cases. Saying "no" meant court costs and the schools often lost in court anyway. School districts are responsible for whatever the child in their district needs, even if it's a private/residential school that can cost upwards of $50,000 a year. If a special needs child misbehaved on the bus and got a bus suspension, the district was required to pay for a taxi for the child to get to and from school. It's really unbelievable, but it's not the fault of the school districts.

This was a suburban school district, where in my experience the parents had a much stronger sense of entitlement than that of urban district lower income parents.
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Old 01-10-2014, 05:14 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Not entitlement so much but sophisticated enough to know how to work the system.
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:50 AM
 
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Not entitlement so much but sophisticated enough to know how to work the system.
Yes, this. Most of the special needs kids in poorer districts actually get much less because their parents don't know better and don't have the same clout/attorneys, etc.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Agreed, then there are children who are "not bad enough" to warrant inclusion in a minor program to assist them through a rough patch. Those are the kids that slip through the cracks without an attentive parent to notice the child is slipping. Kids with grades that are not failing, but C and Ds.
I think it is different in every state, but in our state, they rely heavily on local property tax to fund the schools. Much more heavily that most other states. How the schools are funded makes a huge different I am thinking.
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