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Old 02-08-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Well, I'll gladly answer your questions.

1) It depends on what it was and if I agreed with whoever diagnosed me.

2) I don't know how people with mental illnesses diagnosed, but I'd like to share how I was diagnosed. When I met with my psychiatrist, she told me she thought I was depressed. She shared the symptoms of depression and asked me if I agreed, in which I did. She did the same thing when she diagnosed me with anxiety and binge eating disorder. So, in my case, my diagnoses were mutual agreements between me and my psychiatrist. In my opinion, my psychiatrist was very accurate. And I'd like to add that my parents definitely agreed.

Now, if I didn't agree with my psychiatrist, I would've let her know that I'd like to get a second opinion before I accept the fact that she believes I was _____________ (whatever she thought it was). And in fact, I'd get a second and third opinion.

Maybe if you are dealing with older children, teens? But what is a young child going to say? There have already been children who've drawn a character holding a gun, or hugging another first grade girl getting expelled for this behavior, behavior they were unaware meant anything bad. But, since we've had school shootings, etc, they are now treated differently just incase. We can do damage trying to prevent it, we do this all the time.

3) I don't see how it would affect me getting a job. Medical records are sealed. How would an employer find this out (unless you told them or they found it through your social media use)?
Then you can try and get a job in law enforcement or with the fire dept. and let me know how that works out for ya. They do a background check for everything. Lot's of other jobs do to, it depends greatly what the job is.

4) I believe I addressed the misdiagnosing issue in #2.

Yes, and this is why it's easy to diagnose adults. They know why they feel the way they do, kids don't. The family would be the best people to aid in diagnoses of a child, and I'm sure they will have already brought it up. No screening needed. What is needed is room for kids in mental hospitals. Until we deal with that what's the use over diagnosing kids?
http://www.nami.org/ContentManagemen...tFileID=147763

This is classic America. Maditory screening for mental illness with no funding or room for any more patients. I think they've made a mistake, it's not the parents who've made a mistake in diagnosing kids, there is no room for them! What a joke, why make the parents feel like they are inept?


5) I believe that people with mental illnesses are diagnosed very accurately. I trust that psychologists and psychiatrists are doing their job properly.
Really?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...over-diagnosed

I was on another thread recently about special needs funding, and the main complaint was over diagnosis. I agreed with them actually, but find this to be the medical fields fault, (they need more stringent testing), but it is not a funding issue so sadly it was not discussed but it is discussed nationally as a big problem, since you've brought it up. How much more of a problem will this become with school screening? Special needs is already swamped, what do suggest we do about it? Regular classroom teachers are already complaining about money spent on them, what will this do? We already can't come up with the money, programs are being cut, funding is being cut. This is a joke of a law.




A regular doctor shouldn't be diagnosing Autism. Shouldn't it be people who are around the child on a daily basis, such as a speech pathologist?
A parent would know, they are the first line. A parent. They are the front line, and then we need available mental health professionals. That's what would help, we should try this first, not last. IMO.
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Old 02-08-2014, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Most regular pediatricians refer for testing based on what parents say. Very few pediatricians have enough expertise to dx and many are on that *wait and see* course that most of those who have autistic children have had to fight.
Exactly, specialist need to be available. But, sadly, they aren't. Parents are given no tools, and now they are going to make us accept a dx from an unqualified doctor or worse, someone even more unqualified to trim a budget.
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Old 02-09-2014, 12:01 AM
 
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A parent would know, they are the first line. A parent. They are the front line, and then we need available mental health professionals. That's what would help, we should try this first, not last. IMO.
Alright... whatever.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Ridley Park, PA
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The government can't protect people from every harm without a severe loss to liberty. One of the burdens of liberty is accepting a certain amount of societal risk. We accepted mandatory seatbelts because they "make us safe." We accepted a drinking age of 21 to "make us safe." We accepted gun control to "make us safe." And yet, people are still maimed, still die, still do reckless things. Short of cocooning everyone in full-body condoms and padded rooms, I'm not sure what the government can do to eliminate the risks of life, and I'd rather accept the risk than continue to allow government to encroach on my rights and privileges as a free citizen.
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Old 02-09-2014, 03:32 AM
 
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Read about ADD kid. Walking medicine cabinet since age 3. Violent in school. Mom told she had 30 days to make him non-violent or govt takes him. She made him non-violent, giving him cannabis in capsules, illegal by Federal law, allowable in some states for medical use. So, her child who became happy for 1st time in life, back to school, making friends, learning, then stolen from her. Often, doctors prescribe meth (sold as Desoxyn) for hyper active ADD kids. No guarantee it works & parents should read side effects.
Cannabis was advised for all mental health issues in US Dispensatory of 1851, made illegal 1937. Deaths as a direct result of use in over 1 billion people, 0 proven. Medical uses 124 rxmarijuana dot com/


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It should be. There are a lot of mentally and emotionally disturbed children who shouldn't be in public schools. Least restrictive environment protects them while putting their classmates, and sometimes teachers, in danger. This especially true of children who suffer from ODD and can become very violent.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Obviously, I put my "no way" vote into this pile.

I don't trust this by a long long shot. It took 15 visits to 5 doctors to finally get my son properly treated for Tourettes. I finally had to go to a specialist, a Child Neurologist!

Before that he was misdiagnosed all over the place by regular doctors and nurse pracs. All kinds of meds were offered. None of which would have helped, and might have hurt his Tourettes. Could have made him suicidal, made his tics way worse, ETC.

I think they will end up sending 3 out of 5 kids off to get further evals. It will be a nightmare of paper work. In the end there is no way they can guarantee safety at school anymore than they can now, or ever could. If only we had the control we dreamed of having, the world WOULD be a better place. But we don't. And we won't.

I have a really hard time thinking this will pass. If it does I might just pass out. lol
What I find horribly appalling, are the coverups and inconsistencies of the scientific research, backing some of these meds. All a person has to do is look at the side effects and what they're compared to.

A couple of "layterm" observations about Methylphenidate (Ritalin/Concerta)... it creates a cocaine craving. Hmmm... It appears as if it's causing neurological damage to the hippocampus. Hippocampus damage = Alzheimers and memory deficits.

Not only is Methylphenidate prescribed for ADHD, but for Narcolepy as well. "Narcolepsy = falling asleep mid conversation, while driving, etc....also associated with sleep apnea..etc"

Okay...now let's talk about some REAL LIFE observations I've made...scientific backing, if you will. I live in a "fishing community". Many, MANY of the guys around here fish out here in the Pacific and head to Alaska...as in "Dangerous Catch". Okay...when you're working 24-36 hrs straight, something's got to keep you up. In the old days, a great many of those guys used cocaine to do so. The number of guys using CPAP machines would blow your fricking mind!!!!!!!! These guys suffer from narcolepsy and sleep apnea.In our county, we are seeing HUGE volumes of this...as well as early onset Alzheimers and heart failure!

You know...people don't get it. They do not understand.

Here's the deal....If my kid was ....ahem.."diagnosed" with ADHD, would I head out and score some coke for them...KNOWING this information? Newsflash....no, I most emphatically would not! I would bust my a$$, researching until my fingers bled..to find my child a SAFE alternative. I would NEVER knowingly give my child something which I KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, would harm my child. I would NEVER allow someone to give something to my child, that has a "proven" potential for doing harm, NOW and in that child's future.....as well as having the potential to harm their future children and grandchildren!

Of course....giving them a pill? Yeah, that's MUCH easier than ensuring that your children get ZERO artificial coloring, artificial flavorings and other food additives. Giving a pill is so much simpler than researching those labels and finding out exactly what's causing "ADHD", then taking the initiative to remove those substances from my child's diet. Another newsflash for the skeptics out there. Guess what else I'm seeing around here?.....cuz you'll think this is kind of "ironic". You know that ole Cocaine? Guess which families have the highest number of children with ADHD? Yep....you guessed it....the families who were KNOWN to be coke heads. Hmm...?

So...if 2+2=4....then these kids who've been pumped full of Methylphenidate..and/or other "mood altering" drugs...are going to have children who require these drugs....in order to fit in with society. The medical profession is CREATING a "predisposition for abuse". HELLO? That, my dear peeps, is an alteration of GENETICS!!!!!
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Single exposure to cocaine or ecstasy induces DN... [Addict Biol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
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We evaluated the overall genetic damage induced by different doses of cocaine and MDMA (3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) in several organs. One hour after intraperitoneal drug administration, mice were euthanized; peripheral blood, liver and brain were collected, and the cellular suspensions were used for the single cell gel (comet) assay. We determined that all doses of cocaine and MDMA tested were able to induce DNA damage in blood cells. Extensive genotoxic damage was induced by cocaine or MDMA at the highest doses used in liver cells. [/b]
Now...bounce around the internet and you'll find a whole lot of information, backed by Pharma, which claim that they "could not reproduce" these results. Really? .....REALLY!? Wise up people...because we're talking about children and grandchildren here. It's time for Americans to get smart. You can NOT put your health and the health of your children in the hands of an outsider. I'm not saying that there is NO place for conventional medicine. What I am saying is this.....there are hidden motivations behind "most" of these drugs. If they are produced in a LAB...they are toxic, foreign substances that you're putting in your (and your children's bodies)!

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Old 02-09-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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What most people don't realize, is that most states are already doing this...with newborns.
How can you tell if a newborn has mental illness?
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:02 PM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Just wondering, because that's what Rep. Margaret Markey, NY, wants to do here.

Of course, that also allows the various "professionals" to use that opportunity to badger Johnny and Suzie about their parents' activities, safety precautions, and.....ta-da.....guns in the home. After which a file will be maintained on Johnny, who acts like Tom Sawyer and so, therefore, will be medicated at school by people practicing medicine without a license, and won't be allowed to go hunting with dad.

Yet another reason to send kids to private schools.


No. They began school in NYS, and that was not a requierment at the time.

I am smelling a big time political agenda on your part, though. I'm not commenting before I read this in context.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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While I'm not against this in principle, it seems unworkable. My main concern is liability issues. If a pre-screened kid commits a crime the school district would certainly be sued. What if a kid commits suicide--would the parents take legal action?
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