School 1960 vs. School 2007, Then & Now: How School Has Changed. Are these true or not? (high school, paddling)

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by truckingbronco

The funny thing about this thread is that the people who went to school in the 60s are the ones who are running the schools now.

Yes, and in reference to the people out molesting teens on the internet every time i watch Dateline it's the children from the 60's. Great set of adults those Acid and pot smoking hippies turned into.

Look crime is down significantly from the 60's. Most kids engaging in pre-marital sex is as low as it has ever been in this country. Yes, the media would have you believe in the salacious details of kids out getting oral sex everyday on middle school campuses, but for the most part those are not the norm. Stop watching the news and start doing some research on your own. We are wasting our time arguing based on what someone posted and not arguing based on the facts. I certainly do not care enough about the subject to bother getting the information, but this debate is pointless unless someone can provide actual facts from the US Government to refute their claims, that kids are worse now than in the 60's.

I see more 40-50 year old homeless people on the streets than i see 12-18 year olds, so again the children of the 60's win~! Sure they produced some usable talent, but overall comparing generation for generation they would get blown out by children today on all levels. Hell, if they had to compete for college spots with kids today haha it would be laughable how many kids of the 60’s would not attend the same prestigious school they may have been able to attend 50 years ago. Although children today do not do near as many drugs as those people did.

[novanative75]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Yes, and in reference to the people out molesting teens on the internet every time i watch Dateline it's the children from the 60's. Great set of adults those Acid and pot smoking hippies turned into.

Look crime is down significantly from the 60's. Most kids engaging in pre-marital sex is as low as it has ever been in this country. Yes, the media would have you believe in the salacious details of kids out getting oral sex everyday on middle school campuses, but for the most part those are not the norm. Stop watching the news and start doing some research on your own. We are wasting our time arguing based on what someone posted and not arguing based on the facts. I certainly do not care enough about the subject to bother getting the information, but this debate is pointless unless someone can provide actual facts from the US Government to refute their claims, that kids are worse now than in the 60's.

I see more 40-50 year old homeless people on the streets than i see 12-18 year olds, so again the children of the 60's win~! Sure they produced some usable talent, but overall comparing generation for generation they would get blown out by children today on all levels. Hell, if they had to compete for college spots with kids today haha it would be laughable how many kids of the 60’s would not attend the same prestigious school they may have been able to attend 50 years ago. Although children today do not do near as many drugs as those people did.

Are you kidding? First of all, I am a school counselor so not only do I have facts to back up my statement but, unfortunately for me, I have to actually witness these things on a daily basis.

I watch Dateline 'To Catch a Predator' all the time, my husband loves it and there are a ton of people on there my age and younger, I am 32, did not see the 60's! Sure, there was the old rabbi, but I would say that most are 40 and under.

Pre-Marital sex at its lowest????????? NO WAY. Why don't you give us some governmental facts to back that up, the teenage pregnancy rate in this decade will show you how false that is and I am guessing they got pregnant by having sex? You want to talk about oral sex in middle school, it is HUGE, again, I work in schools. I actually do not ever watch the news so out the window with that theory. Kids are having sex at a younger age, like it or not. Should we talk about the rise of STDs among teens, are they getting those at the water fountain?

As far as more homeless adults than kids, well, yes, HELLO! The kids are still home with mommy and daddy, that was a weak argument.

Sure, drugs were big in the 60's but do you have any idea what the drug problems are today with teenagers. Do you work with hundreds of teenagers on a daily basis like I do? Kid are continuing with pot, acid and alcohol but have added high amounts of cocaine, heroin, crystal meth and prescription drugs to the mix. I do not think there were a lot of kids getting high off of cold medicine in the 60's

Where are your governmental facts?

Sorry, I do not mean to be forceful but you are kidding yourself if you think today's kids are not facing bigger issues than kids of the 60's. Trust me, I wish you were right, it certainly would make my job easier.

[Jmc89]

it all depends where you live
different places have would have different reactions to your 'scenarios'.
the real answer to any questions is almost always
'it depends'

[Charles Wallace]

Originally Posted by novanative75

Again, not alive in the 60's but guessing kids were not traveling across state lines to meet pedafiles??

I would take a group of hippies sitting in a circle tripping on acid over any of these things ANYDAY.

Ever heard of the Manson family? Altamont? Kitty Genovese? Vietnam? The Son of Sam?

The Sixties and early Seventies were hardly a time of untarnished peace and love. As far as drugs, heroin and marijuana were the biggies then -- and were a problem in high school then too (or didn't you watch That Seventies Show?)

[novanative75]

Originally Posted by Charles Wallace

Ever heard of the Manson family? Altamont? Kitty Genovese? Vietnam? The Son of Sam?

The Sixties and early Seventies were hardly a time of untarnished peace and love. As far as drugs, heroin and marijuana were the biggies then -- and were a problem in high school then too (or didn't you watch That Seventies Show?)

Sure I have heard of those things and yes, OF COURSE, there were drugs in the 60's, but I was not talking about only drugs. Drugs are terrible today, you know that, you work in a school!
I can only compare to going to school in the late 80's where everyone drank alcohol and some people smoked pot. Now, everyone drinks alcohol and smokes pot and some people are using heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and abusing prescription drugs. Of course, there were drugs in the 60's but I would venture to guess that the issues facing kids today, coupled with the continued abuse of substances among teens, is worse.

Again, this is only my opinion from working with teens on a day to day basis and actually specializing in substance abuse prevention, education and recovery.

We are allowed opinions, right?

[skatealoneskatetogether]

The differnece now is you have absolute socio/psycopaths running the education system. As is the case with my sad home state of HELLIFORNIA. we used to boast the best public k-12 in the 60's. now our state ranks in the bottom tier amongst economically poor states. The only reason our universities have maintained their prestige is beceause of contracts with the government.

[bigdave01]

This site shows that teen pregnancy is way down since 1991.

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/data/brates.asp

I am a current high school student, and hear these same arguments from my parents all the time. Kids today... blah blah blah. However, I completely disagree. I am a junior in high school, and know a few people who do drugs, but I have never seen an illegal drug in my life. I think most students drink, and maybe 10 percent smoke, but I am willing to bet it was MUCH worse in the past. Obviously this is not representative of the whole US, and it will drastically vary from area to area.

Like someone else already stated, adults always believe that their generation was superior, although it is usually very false. Also remember it is the kids from the 60's who are running the world, and raising the children. Shouldn't they take some blame?

[KevK]

Some of it is true and some of it not. The part about paddling by the Principal is true. Ritlin was unheard of back then so we would get sent to Mr Crawford's office to be paddled. The part about the shotgun may have been true in rural schools but I doubt that the same thing would not happen today at a rural school- especially in the south or west. As for city and town schools, you would have got into serious trouble for having a gun of any kind on school property even back then. The thing about the asprin is true. I carried asprin as well as caffine pills just in case Mrs Scott started making me doze off in English Lit and they did not care. You could also carry your own prescription pills. As for fighting, it would get you paddled in elementary and get you suspended from Jr Hi or high school.

[KevK]

Originally Posted by bigdave01

This site shows that teen pregnancy is way down since 1991.

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/data/brates.asp

I am a current high school student, and hear these same arguments from my parents all the time. Kids today... blah blah blah. However, I completely disagree. I am a junior in high school, and know a few people who do drugs, but I have never seen an illegal drug in my life. I think most students drink, and maybe 10 percent smoke, but I am willing to bet it was MUCH worse in the past. Obviously this is not representative of the whole US, and it will drastically vary from area to area.

Like someone else already stated, adults always believe that their generation was superior, although it is usually very false. Also remember it is the kids from the 60's who are running the world, and raising the children. Shouldn't they take some blame?

They were much more liberal about smoking when I was in school as they were places in general. The smokers used to be called the West Door People because the west door to the school had a cigarette urn outside of it and that was the student smoking area. Not there anymore!

[trivfun]

Originally Posted by novanative75

Sure I have heard of those things and yes, OF COURSE, there were drugs in the 60's, but I was not talking about only drugs. Drugs are terrible today, you know that, you work in a school!
I can only compare to going to school in the late 80's where everyone drank alcohol and some people smoked pot. Now, everyone drinks alcohol and smokes pot and some people are using heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and abusing prescription drugs. Of course, there were drugs in the 60's but I would venture to guess that the issues facing kids today, coupled with the continued abuse of substances among teens, is worse.

Again, this is only my opinion from working with teens on a day to day basis and actually specializing in substance abuse prevention, education and recovery.

We are allowed opinions, right?

What did Richard Speck drink when he killed all those nurses? The education of what Richard Speck was typical of 50-60's misfit/drifter, there were lots of them but most either cleaned up, died, or slowly dying. That was true with the teachers who burn out and aren't here to tell about. The misfit is different today with drugs but it is all the same. But don't let today's kids and then kids fool you.