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Typically I was paid about $10 to $30 depending on the work. A couple of guys gave me some nice Fossil watches. It was weird because the work was so easy, yet they were so lazy. I occasionally bought honey buns and ice cream sandwiches for my friends. It reminds me of Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption: "I would like three beers each, for me and my coworkers."
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Originally Posted by jgn2013
When you cheat in school, you're only cheating yourself. The student may have gotten the grade, but they deprived themselves of knowledge.
They don't care. And that makes it all the more pathetic. They paid tuition (ok, some were on financial aid), but they don't want to acquire knowledge. Even when they use other classmates' work, they don't bother to ask for explanations.
When you cheat in school, you're only cheating yourself. The student may have gotten the grade, but they deprived themselves of knowledge.
In our society, that doesn't matter because they get the reward. They get into the right college, they get the scholarships and they get the jobs while the person with integrity has a harder row to hoe. Our system punishes people with integrity and rewards cheaters. While it's true the cheater cheated themselves out of knowledge, they get all the perks for having done so.
Oh, I'm going by the height of the pedestal of Moral Superiority you've placed yourself on.
As I read this thread I'm very grateful for the teachers I've known who didn't consider themselves the most moral person in the room then look at their students and think, "Good scores. Odds are they're cheats."
Very grateful indeed. Because all the really great teachers I've known..... know they're fallible (a trait that often makes the teacher approachable AND enjoyable). Those are the teachers that kids can learn from. And I know smart, hard working, honest kids. I hate to think of them having the teacher who has decided, going into it, that 80% of the class is cheating.
LOL. Saying cheating is wrong makes me morally superior? Seriously?? Right is right and wrong is wrong. Cheating is wrong. That is just a statement of fact. It is also a fact that 80% of students cheat. Why would I deny the truth? 80% of students admit to having cheated in high school. My guess is some of the 20% are lying. Cheating is rampant in our schools. Why do you think saying this out loud makes one morally superior? What it makes me is smart enough to know what's really going on. This is just what is. Why would I live in denial?
A test is to see what you learned.... the test in High school are not one bit hard and the "cheaters" cheat because they are lazy and don't want to study or do their homework.
Yup. Every year I change my labs just enough to catch cheaters and every year I get last year's lab turned in and they get a zero. I learned this trick accidentally. I got a grant to order milligram balances because the decigram balances we had weren't accurate enough. On one lab that we do early in the year, this caused huge percent errors and many students gave this as their reason for their high percent error. The next year, because of the more accurate balances I also changed the amounts of chemicals used to speed up the lab. That year, I got 7 lab reports that used the inaccuracy of the balances as the reason for their percent errors. I got over a dozen more that used amounts of chemicals from the previous year. Now I make changes deliberately so I can catch them.
This year, I've had several instances where the lab report turned in to me was identical to one turned in to the other chemistry teacher (we've started using the same plagscan account). We gave 5 zeros on the last report alone for this reason. I don't catch them all and I know it. Some of them are very good at cheating. I love final exam day. My students walk in to find the room rearranged to minimize cheating and maximize my ability to move around the room and watch them and some of them have downright panicked looks on their faces. I've had kids ask if they could move their seat. By this time of the year I've got a pretty good idea who cheats off of who so I let them. I just switch their seat with the student they're trying to sit next to. Again, I get shocked looks.
Tests are a real issue in my school. My admins will not entertain the thought of a student cheating unless you have iron clad proof. I can see red flag behavior, like a girl who kept putting her head into the crook of her arm during yesterday's test as if she was reading something in her lap, but I never saw what she was looking at. Girls will wear a skirt on test day and have a cheat sheet taped to their thigh. This is really hard to catch as I need to see the cheat sheet and cannot ask them to hike their skirt so all I can do is hover over them and prevent them from using what they're using. Interestingly this girl did really well on the first page of the test but bombed the rest. Of course my hovering over her probably allowed 6 other kids to get away with something. I wish kids were honest but our system rewards the cheaters and the liars so that's what they become. Honesty, integrity, trustworthiness....are not valued by our society. WINNING is. So people cheat. The rewards are great and the risks small. If a student does get caught cheating all that happens is they have to retake the test so the punishment is they take the test again. That's not really a punishment IMO.
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LOL. Saying cheating is wrong makes me morally superior? Seriously?? Right is right and wrong is wrong. Cheating is wrong. That is just a statement of fact. It is also a fact that 80% of students cheat. Why would I deny the truth? 80% of students admit to having cheated in high school. My guess is some of the 20% are lying. Cheating is rampant in our schools. Why do you think saying this out loud makes one morally superior? What it makes me is smart enough to know what's really going on. This is just what is. Why would I live in denial?
80% admit to cheating at least one time, not all the time. That doesn't mean all the good students are cheating all the time and everyone who gets a good grade is obviously cheating. You'll have a great time in Detroit with an attitude like that.
80% admit to cheating at least one time, not all the time. That doesn't mean all the good students are cheating all the time and everyone who gets a good grade is obviously cheating.
Exactly. That lumps the kid who glanced at another kids paper one time in 9th grade and felt guilty enough to never do it again with kids who routinely buy essays and obtain exam info. They are not the same person. And everyone deserves the opportunity to learn from their mistakes and move on. Especially when they are not yet adults.
Yup. Every year I change my labs just enough to catch cheaters and every year I get last year's lab turned in and they get a zero. I learned this trick accidentally. I got a grant to order milligram balances because the decigram balances we had weren't accurate enough. On one lab that we do early in the year, this caused huge percent errors and many students gave this as their reason for their high percent error. The next year, because of the more accurate balances I also changed the amounts of chemicals used to speed up the lab. That year, I got 7 lab reports that used the inaccuracy of the balances as the reason for their percent errors. I got over a dozen more that used amounts of chemicals from the previous year. Now I make changes deliberately so I can catch them.
This year, I've had several instances where the lab report turned in to me was identical to one turned in to the other chemistry teacher (we've started using the same plagscan account). We gave 5 zeros on the last report alone for this reason. I don't catch them all and I know it. Some of them are very good at cheating. I love final exam day. My students walk in to find the room rearranged to minimize cheating and maximize my ability to move around the room and watch them and some of them have downright panicked looks on their faces. I've had kids ask if they could move their seat. By this time of the year I've got a pretty good idea who cheats off of who so I let them. I just switch their seat with the student they're trying to sit next to. Again, I get shocked looks.
Tests are a real issue in my school. My admins will not entertain the thought of a student cheating unless you have iron clad proof. I can see red flag behavior, like a girl who kept putting her head into the crook of her arm during yesterday's test as if she was reading something in her lap, but I never saw what she was looking at. Girls will wear a skirt on test day and have a cheat sheet taped to their thigh. This is really hard to catch as I need to see the cheat sheet and cannot ask them to hike their skirt so all I can do is hover over them and prevent them from using what they're using. Interestingly this girl did really well on the first page of the test but bombed the rest. Of course my hovering over her probably allowed 6 other kids to get away with something. I wish kids were honest but our system rewards the cheaters and the liars so that's what they become. Honesty, integrity, trustworthiness....are not valued by our society. WINNING is. So people cheat. The rewards are great and the risks small. If a student does get caught cheating all that happens is they have to retake the test so the punishment is they take the test again. That's not really a punishment IMO.
It's interesting to hear about this from the other side. Kind of like riding in the front seat of a police car.
Sorry but cheating practices are practiced and more than likely common around the entire world....
Do you have specific examples? The U.S. schools are more tolerant to cheating, that's my observation.
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