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We need to know more. Does this hypothetical engineer support the teaching that gravity is God's big banana fingers pushing everything down?
Alright, I concede that it would be really difficult to judge candidates based solely on the information given (which was sort of the point)...
BUT...
If that engineer has the math right, what would it really matter if he/she chooses to explain gravity as banana fingers? I mean, it's not as though this person would be teaching schoolchildren in Washington State... We're just building structures that won't fall down.
Alright, I concede that it would be really difficult to judge candidates based solely on the information given (which was sort of the point)...
BUT...
If that engineer has the math right, what would it really matter if he/she chooses to explain gravity as banana fingers? I mean, it's not as though this person would be teaching schoolchildren in Washington State... We're just building structures that won't fall down.
Don't bother Cleonidas. These people come here with their minds made up and not one thing we can say will make them change it. They've been told for years that Texas teaches students creationism over evolution, and we refuse to teach young Hispanics about Sonia Sotomayor. When presented with first person accounts from people actually in Texas, they don't want to believe it.
I understand that you are trying to make the point that in the long run, it doesn't really matter if a person believes Genesis or evolution because that person is still able to perform their job otherwise. But I don't think some of these people are willing to get that message. To them, Texans are dumb and Obama is so exalted that some people shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as him.
Don't bother Cleonidas. These people come here with their minds made up and not one thing we can say will make them change it. They've been told for years that Texas teaches students creationism over evolution, and we refuse to teach young Hispanics about Sonia Sotomayor. When presented with first person accounts from people actually in Texas, they don't want to believe it.
I understand that you are trying to make the point that in the long run, it doesn't really matter if a person believes Genesis or evolution because that person is still able to perform their job otherwise. But I don't think some of these people are willing to get that message. To them, Texans are dumb and Obama is so exalted that some people shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as him.
I went to a Catholic school. We learned about Darwin and evolution in Science and Genesis in Religion.
In religion we discussed their compatibility and to this day I still remember it.
One day in the biblical sense can equate to thousands of years if not more.
In the Bible each "day" represented a span of evolution.
And in the Bible the last creation by God was man.
And this was a Catholic school, not afraid to teach both and not afraid to discuss and find how they could coexist in your mind.
It's the extremists at either end that cannot accept both.
Alright, I concede that it would be really difficult to judge candidates based solely on the information given (which was sort of the point)...
BUT...
If that engineer has the math right, what would it really matter if he/she chooses to explain gravity as banana fingers? I mean, it's not as though this person would be teaching schoolchildren in Washington State... We're just building structures that won't fall down.
Yes, as long as the belief isn't in conflict with tenets of actual real world applications such as molecular biology and genetically modified organism with desired traits, geological theory, astrophysical theory and, ...err I mean banana peeling problems, ...then it would not matter.
Don't bother Cleonidas. These people come here with their minds made up and not one thing we can say will make them change it. They've been told for years that Texas teaches students creationism over evolution, and we refuse to teach young Hispanics about Sonia Sotomayor. When presented with first person accounts from people actually in Texas, they don't want to believe it.
I understand that you are trying to make the point that in the long run, it doesn't really matter if a person believes Genesis or evolution because that person is still able to perform their job otherwise. But I don't think some of these people are willing to get that message. To them, Texans are dumb and Obama is so exalted that some people shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as him.
Okay... There were plenty of engineering graduates from Texas A&M in 2011 as well, putting the rhetorical nature of the question aside for a moment. Does that mean that you wouldn't hire a 25 year old engineer?
To run a business or even an engineering department, no.
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Originally Posted by katygirl68
Don't bother Cleonidas. These people come here with their minds made up and not one thing we can say will make them change it. They've been told for years that Texas teaches students creationism over evolution, and we refuse to teach young Hispanics about Sonia Sotomayor. When presented with first person accounts from people actually in Texas, they don't want to believe it.
I understand that you are trying to make the point that in the long run, it doesn't really matter if a person believes Genesis or evolution because that person is still able to perform their job otherwise. But I don't think some of these people are willing to get that message. To them, Texans are dumb and Obama is so exalted that some people shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as him.
What the hey? I'm not the one saying that! I have not made one post that asserts that. (Responding as Cleonidas was responding to me [above] and you responded to her as if I think Texas is teaching evolution and who knows what else.)
I went to a Catholic school. We learned about Darwin and evolution in Science and Genesis in Religion.
In religion we discussed their compatibility and to this day I still remember it.
One day in the biblical sense can equate to thousands of years if not more.
In the Bible each "day" represented a span of evolution.
And in the Bible the last creation by God was man.
And this was a Catholic school, not afraid to teach both and not afraid to discuss and find how they could coexist in your mind.
It's the extremists at either end that cannot accept both.
I agree, and I'm Catholic as well (nominally at least). Catholics never struck me as the literalists that the Baptists and Pentacostals are. I never understand how people can believe everything in the Bible is to be taken literally when one book will completely contradict another book.
I went to a Baptist school for my senior year of high school back in the '80s. When we got our brand new geography textbooks, the teacher told us to mark out the introductory paragraph because it referenced the Big Bang Theory. When I told her I believed in evolution and the Big Bang theory, or at least that I was open to the ideas and still could believe in God, she told me that the Earth is only 7,000 years old and the Bible was written by God so every word was true.
We have those people here, but I believe the vast majority aren't like that.
To run a business or even an engineering department, no.
What the hey? I'm not the one saying that! I have not made one post that asserts that. (Responding as Cleonidas was responding to me [above] and you responded to her as if I think Texas is teaching evolution and who knows what else.)
You're right, I wasn't really responding to you specifically. I have noticed a few on this thread who will not accept the idea that what they've heard about the textbooks is not true. Sorry to imply that you were one of those people.
I went to a Catholic school. We learned about Darwin and evolution in Science and Genesis in Religion.
In religion we discussed their compatibility and to this day I still remember it.
One day in the biblical sense can equate to thousands of years if not more.
In the Bible each "day" represented a span of evolution.
And in the Bible the last creation by God was man.
And this was a Catholic school, not afraid to teach both and not afraid to discuss and find how they could coexist in your mind.
It's the extremists at either end that cannot accept both.
Yes, there is no necessary conflict between understanding evolution and religion A, B or C.
But you went to a catholic school, so the creation story was the Christian catholic one. What creation myths should a public school, that serves all, teach? Hindu creation myths, Cherokee creation myths, Inuit creation myths, Christian etc? They are just separate things - they can be taught in comparative religion class.
Yes, there is no necessary conflict between understanding evolution and religion A, B or C.
But you went to a catholic school, so the creation story was the Christian catholic one. What creation myths should a public school, that serves all, teach? Hindu creation myths, Cherokee creation myths, Inuit creation myths, Christian etc? They are just separate things - they can be taught in comparative religion class.
I'd say the public school should not teach any creation myths, and they don't at my kids' school. If they teach the myths, they teach them as myths or religious teachings in English (Greek Mythology) or Social Studies (religions of the world).
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