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Old 10-28-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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I am 20

Middle and High school think its gonna be chill when they.have a sub. I say the best way to sub is to make a "deal" with them.



Tell them they can talk and move around to there friends as long as they keep it quite and don't be disruptive and tell them "that is all i am asking for". Students are not gonna be as productive with you as with there teacher, that its just not gonna happen. They want to socialist, they are not there to make your life hell. Just make a deal with them, pretend you are on their side. You don't need to act cool or anything, just be real.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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Sorry for the grammar my phone sucks
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:40 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I don't get how it messes with the format... what program are you using? Would you be willing to show us your resume (obviously without your personal info on it)? You can make your resume look lively and to the point with how it's set-up and the descriptions you have. Little things like changing to font and how info is arranged is all you need to make it look more appealing. I know when I interviewed, they could careless about what was on paper- they were more interested in what my letter's of recommendation said and my reputation I had while subbing.

Adding a rough-looking Facebook picture is not professional. Like I mentioned, think of an official school photo- something like that. Although I don't recommend a photo at all.
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When you say "without my personal info..." do you mean replace the text with Latin or gibberish and just show the format? Here's a link to the program I used. There are sample resumes on the website. https://www.visualcv.com/www/examples/
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I meant like where it says your name or address to delete it.
Please do NOT put up a copy of your resume on the open forum. The only way to protect your anonymity is to remove any and all identifying factors, because you do not want someone saying "Hey, this looks like Susie Sub's resume, so Xyz123 must be her. Check out what she wrote about how she feels about teaching." Once you remove everything you need to remove -schools, degrees, job experiences, credentials, teaching experiences - it defeats the purpose of having someone look at it.
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Old 10-29-2014, 02:51 AM
 
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How would you like the school day to run when the teacher isn't there? What strategies have you seen substitute teachers use to have the most productive days? What strategies has your regular teacher employed? What could I use? I'm currently substitute teaching to earn a living and gain experience while I look for a full-time teaching job. Contrary to my whining, all of my days aren't bad, just not as good as I want them to be. Ideally, I want the kids to have buy-in and motivate themselves to behave / do the work for me. I have to rely a little more on tricks than the regular teachers, because I simply don't have the power or influence of a regular educator.

Here are a few of my main questions:

Disruptive Students
I know most of you probably want to learn, too, so what do you think I should do with a disruptive student? Admins frown on subs who call them too much, and teachers aren't always happy to take a troublemaker into their rooms. I've also worked at schools where it's very hard to tell who is causing the disruptions, because chains of disruption start immediately.

Getting Class Attention
Sometimes I have situations where the students would rather talk over me than listen to my instructions. I often get comments like, "we don't have to do that," or "it's really boring today; all we have been doing is working." I would like to give the students a break and not make them feel like the work they have is just some kind of chore, but I'm afraid of classes getting out of hand and ambiguity being an opportunity for disruption.

Personality
I'm leery of revealing a lot of personal information to the students, because some of them do try to use it against me. For example, if I tell them I have a teaching license, they may say something like, "you're not a teacher! I bet you didn't even go to college!" This makes me so mad that I usually don't know what else to say.

Again, teachers and parents, this time I only want input from the kids, ages 13-21.

Note: I realize I've posted a few things like this already, but, to my knowledge, this is the first time I've addressed kids, teens, and recent high school graduates. They are likely more familiar with how their schools run than us adults who have been out of school for ten years or longer. This time, I would like to hear from kids and people who recently attended high school, please.


You seem to be having lots of trouble, so I'll help you out, since my family has many kids in that age group or similar ones.

If a student truly wants to learn, they will handle the disruptive student themselves. If they aren't, that means they aren't interested in learning.

For class attention, if you have the class for an entire 7 hour day, you should give them breaks, but if it's just for 45-60 minutes, then they should work straight through.

And for personality, a disruptive student doesn't care about your teaching license.
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Old 10-29-2014, 02:55 AM
 
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You seem to be having lots of trouble, so I'll help you out, since my family has many kids in that age group or similar ones.

If a student truly wants to learn, they will handle the disruptive student themselves. If they aren't, that means they aren't interested in learning.

For class attention, if you have the class for an entire 7 hour day, you should give them breaks, but if it's just for 45-60 minutes, then they should work straight through.

And for personality, a disruptive student doesn't care about your teaching license.
I think, from my experiences subbing, I've seen that most kids don't really care about education. That's actually pretty sad. I think it speaks something about values when people would rather disrupt learning than partake of it. People around here just want to find new ways to cause pain.
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Old 10-29-2014, 02:55 AM
 
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I have been talking with our 6th grader about this a lot lately as he is bored and unhappy in middle school. These are some of the things I've picked up from our discussions.

Be more interactive. His chief complaint is being lectured at in maths - i.e., teacher talking the whole class, very little, if any, time for students to actually do examples in class. It's boring and ineffective, and then they struggle with homework because they didn't get a chance to actually try it in class when they could have asked questions and had assistance.

Make time for a short physical activity break or a quick mental game at the start of and in the middle of class to get them engaged and alert. It's mind-numbing having to sit and listen all day. Adults in desk jobs are always being advised to schedule short, physical breaks into their work day to increase their productivity - why don't we put that advice into practice with our kids?

Don't yell or be sarcastic. He doesn't ask questions in some of his classes because he's scared of being humiliated in front of his classmates. It's never happened to him, but he's seen it happen to quite a few of his peers and so he's not going to risk it. And all the parents know the teachers with anger issues (subs included) because their kids tell them, but it's a pretty powerless feeling, both as a student and as a parent. And it shuts down learning faster than anything else you can do.

The article below has some really great observations about what it's like to be a student these days, and practical suggestions on how to make small, achievable changes in the classroom everyday. Maybe you could shadow a student for a day or two also and get direct input from students that way.
Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns - The Washington Post

No offense, but when I hear a kid saying "it's boring because we didn't get to do examples in class" that's just translated to "I don't want to do any work."

Sorry, I didn't notice there was a link here. I don't think her conclusions are very good though.

For one thing, not every school does just 4 classes per day and her host student was probably alert because he was used to it whereas she was not.

Secondly, 9th grade isn't a time that the students can debate grander philosophical questions. Its for repetition and practice.
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Old 10-29-2014, 03:04 AM
 
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No pictures on resumes. Some places will toss them because of the perception of discrimination issues. On top of that, like the other poster said, that is a Facebook photo, not a professional one. Actually appearing from the file formatting it IS a Facebook photo.

Isn't tossing a resume for having a photo a discrimination issue in itself?

But either way, no one mentioned a resume before in the topic, so why mention it here? Is this post in the wrong thread?
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Old 10-29-2014, 03:05 AM
 
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No, it's not a good thing. Obsessed people are so busy worrying about doing it perfect or not getting anything wrong that they end up doing nothing.


I disagree with this comment. For example, if the coders of this forum weren't worried about getting it perfect, the site would not run.
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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I take my job seriously, but maybe I do go overboard. I'm very structured and like keeping things orderly and procedural. I often do not know what to do, though, about students who fall out of line with the procedure. I don't know if they are testing me, unfamiliar with the procedure, or just believe they don't have to follow it because there is a sub in the room. I usually re-state, warn, and threaten until I'm tired. Then, I start taking prisoners, if it helps. I find the students who are causing the most disruption and either call to have them removed or jot down notes about them on a behavior form. If the kid in question really gets under my skin, I turn it in to the office when I leave. Usually, my problem kids are suspended, given detention, grounded by their parents, or given a stern talking-to by their regular teacher. I hate having to call for reinforcements, though. I'm not a bad person, most of the time, so why do the kids treat me like an intruder and not another professional?

I had seniors who refused to do their work today; one little student got in my face and said, "I'm just as grown as you are!" I didn't know what to say to diffuse the situation. This person seemed quite angry. All I was trying to do was get them to read a few of the poems the teacher assigned and answer a few questions. The way they acted, you would have thought I was trying to get them to take poison or something.
They've learned that you're a snitch that can't control the classroom, and you report the students in retaliation.
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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OP it sounds as if you don't know how to act like an adult in the classroom. A friend of mine subs, she walks in, kids are thrilled she is subbing. She commands respect, and gives respect.

The fact you don't know how to diffuse a situation from a student who talks back speaks volumes to your lack of control. You are the adult. You are too nervous.

I would suggest you sub for younger kids.
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