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Old 12-04-2014, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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I think studying the law and practicing the law are important and have great value in our society. However being the butt of jokes and the bad reputation of lawyers in general makes it a low prestige career....IMHO. And my father was a lawyer and we still have several lawyers in our family.
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Clinton Township, MI
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Of course every career, academic or not, is helped by having a partner at home who is willing to take on the lion's share of domestic and child rearing duties.

This is an interesting article which sheds a light on academia as well as gender challenges. The jerk who says "That is what you have a wife for" really ticks me off but many men still feel this way.
Can you imagine a grown educated man being proud he has never washed a sock?

Study: Male scientists want to be involved dads, but few are - The Washington Post
What do you mean "of course"? Are you living in the Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble Stone-Age or something? Do you realize that a relationship structure like THAT is a recipe for ALIMONY??

There's nothing to do in the house, there's no need for a housewife in 2014/2015. Make her work! Stop being "whipped" and falling prey for the feminist based propaganda.

When the children are very young, use daycare, once they start going to Grade School you can use part-time babysitters. BOTH parents need to be working, it will bring in more income, one person won't be carrying the entire load, and it eliminates the "alimony" situation should the relationship/marriage end.

No matter how loud I scream this, guys just don't seem to get it. . While you are at it, don't get married.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think studying the law and practicing the law are important and have great value in our society. However being the butt of jokes and the bad reputation of lawyers in general makes it a low prestige career....IMHO. And my father was a lawyer and we still have several lawyers in our family.
Every profession thinks it gets singled out for ridicule.

"Mad scientists"
"Just a nurse"
"Those who can do, those who can't, teach".
Etc.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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Maybe girls are not as interested in STEM as much as boys? I know that's not a cool and hip way to look at it, but...could it just be choice/biology/interest and such and not because engineer's are socially retarded rapists?
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Maybe girls are not as interested in STEM as much as boys? I know that's not a cool and hip way to look at it, but...could it just be choice/biology/interest and such and not because engineer's are socially retarded rapists?
Thank you.....tired of hearing all of the non-sense male-bashing justifications for women not choosing STEM paths.

No one is stopping anyone from going that route. However, if they can't cut it, well tough luck if it happens to be a higher-proportion of women than men.

STEM jobs require a larger degree of independent and logical thinking than most other fields; the type of woman that would let "negative society influences" sway her away from being an engineer or other STEM professional is precisely the type of person that the STEM field doesn't need or isn't suited towards in the first place.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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If men took care of babies while women worked... things would be completely different
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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What do you mean "of course"? Are you living in the Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble Stone-Age or something? Do you realize that a relationship structure like THAT is a recipe for ALIMONY??

There's nothing to do in the house, there's no need for a housewife in 2014/2015. Make her work! Stop being "whipped" and falling prey for the feminist based propaganda.

When the children are very young, use daycare, once they start going to Grade School you can use part-time babysitters. BOTH parents need to be working, it will bring in more income, one person won't be carrying the entire load, and it eliminates the "alimony" situation should the relationship/marriage end.

No matter how loud I scream this, guys just don't seem to get it. . While you are at it, don't get married.
Obviously written by someone who has never been married or had children. Who does the laundry, the grocery shopping, the cooking, the cleaning, the bill paying, the chauffeuring? Either partner can do these things or share these responsibilities but the fact remains there most definitely is A LOT to do at home and today it is still the woman who puts in a full day at work and comes home to her second full time job.

I have a friend with a masters degree who works as a "wife" for 2 families. She pays the bills, chauffeurs the kids...actually everything a full time at -home parent would do except clean the house and she works more than 60 hours a week for the two families combined and she makes a ton of money. She loves it.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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What do you mean "of course"? Are you living in the Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble Stone-Age or something? Do you realize that a relationship structure like THAT is a recipe for ALIMONY??

There's nothing to do in the house, there's no need for a housewife in 2014/2015. Make her work! Stop being "whipped" and falling prey for the feminist based propaganda.

When the children are very young, use daycare, once they start going to Grade School you can use part-time babysitters. BOTH parents need to be working, it will bring in more income, one person won't be carrying the entire load, and it eliminates the "alimony" situation should the relationship/marriage end.

No matter how loud I scream this, guys just don't seem to get it. . While you are at it, don't get married.
May I add "and/or don't have children?"

Prescriptions aside, there still ARE families who can get away with the relaxed, slow pace of life life the one-breadwinner family can offer. Even in the 21st century. This is called a giant LUXURY. Yes, the husband MAY end up paying with the alimony thing (feminism worked you, guys big time in this respect); but some families really still manage NOT TO get a divorce, even today!

It is true that nothing overwhelmingly difficult or time consuming is left to be done in the domestic area; after all, this is why schools now run partially on SAH parent volunteers!; but there still ARE things to be done at home - whether they are difficult or not. When nobody does those, there still ARE consequences, domestic chores pile up, family consumes sh*tty food, and life becomes a sloppy, hurried mess. Think also in terms of children's needs. When both parents come home from a full day of stressful work, what kind of energy is still available from parents to offer support with homework/academics...never mind those horrible extra-curriculars that the system is now shoving down every family's throat, whether the kid wants to be dragged anywhere or not?

Children need increasingly more support with their education because more and more is required of them, at earlier ages - just as it is the case with adults in the workplace.
Who will do all this - and with what energy? Two STEM career parents?

The one breadwinner family MAY be a recipe for ALIMONY (life has risks, right?), but the two-or-more income family is the classic recipe for a life poorly lived - GUARANTEED.

Trouble is most people cannot OPT OUT of this arrangement anymore - so it is the two-income families who need support, accommodations, or just plain an effin break.

If you're an employee with a full-time SAH spouse - good for you, but employers should definitely not use awesome YOU to set standards of performance for those who don't have that luxury.

If you're a full-time SAH spouse, do everyone a favor and enjoy your relaxed lifestyle but quit making such a huge fuss around how much you do for your family and community, and get off that high horse when working parents dare not volunteer. Moreover, when that alpha guy who has been keeping you at home trades you up, know that this is the pay for that sweet life your family has had the luxury to lead for a while. If the alpha guy never does leave you - you NAILED IT.

Everyone else should receive more support and accommodations in the workplace.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Obviously written by someone who has never been married or had children. Who does the laundry, the grocery shopping, the cooking, the cleaning, the bill paying, the chauffeuring?
Good question.
Now ask the same question for a dual-income family. Who will do all that?
Their money put together is usually not enough to contract out all this work; so by comparison to what a working parent does overall, both at work and at home, the SAH spouse really does very, very little.
This is why this guy says there's nothing left to do at home.

Because "nothing" today means something, and something means 4 JOBS IN ONE.
And no, MOST people in this situation DON'T love it. They run through life until stress does them in.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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May I add "and/or don't have children?"

Prescriptions aside, there still ARE families who can get away with the relaxed, slow pace of life life the one-breadwinner family can offer. Even in the 21st century. This is called a giant LUXURY. Yes, the husband MAY end up paying with the alimony thing (feminism worked you, guys big time in this respect); but some families really still manage NOT TO get a divorce, even today!

It is true that nothing overwhelmingly difficult or time consuming is left to be done in the domestic area; after all, this is why schools now run partially on SAH parent volunteers!; but there still ARE things to be done at home - whether they are difficult or not. When nobody does those, there still ARE consequences, domestic chores pile up, family consumes sh*tty food, and life becomes a sloppy, hurried mess. Think also in terms of children's needs. When both parents come home from a full day of stressful work, what kind of energy is still available from parents to offer support with homework/academics...never mind those horrible extra-curriculars that the system is now shoving down every family's throat, whether the kid wants to be dragged anywhere or not?

Children need increasingly more support with their education because more and more is required of them, at earlier ages - just as it is the case with adults in the workplace.
Who will do all this - and with what energy? Two STEM career parents?

The one breadwinner family MAY be a recipe for ALIMONY (life has risks, right?), but the two-or-more income family is the classic recipe for a life poorly lived - GUARANTEED.

Trouble is most people cannot OPT OUT of this arrangement anymore - so it is the two-income families who need support, accommodations, or just plain an effin break.

If you're an employee with a full-time SAH spouse - good for you, but employers should definitely not use awesome YOU to set standards of performance for those who don't have that luxury.

If you're a full-time SAH spouse, do everyone a favor and enjoy your relaxed lifestyle but quit making such a huge fuss around how much you do for your family and community, and get off that high horse when working parents dare not volunteer. Moreover, when that alpha guy who has been keeping you at home trades you up, know that this is the pay for that sweet life your family has had the luxury to lead for a while. If the alpha guy never does leave you - you NAILED IT.

Everyone else should receive more support and accommodations in the workplace.
So you want the SAH moms to shut the heck up. Yes, I suppose that would make it easier for you to be heard while you deliver yet another podium-shaking lecture.

Single income families make conscious decisions on how they live. If you see their lifestyle as a 'luxury' it's because they've made decisions on how to achieve that "luxury". (Most I've known don't live a luxurious lifestyle, BTW. They live simply.) They don't "get away" with it. They work to achieve it. And many achieve it without the benefit of having an engineer's or an MD's income. It's all about choices.

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