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Old 11-17-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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It has to become the choice of the children to make the Public Schools be the best. Come prepared to learn, be proactive to support the campus programs, groups and organizations.
It too needs the parents to push for returns of historical programs, with improved focus within and upon these programs. Examples: Arts and Crafts Training Programs, Computer Tech, Debate Teams, Band and Other Musical Culture Building Programs.

This is among the most critical periods in their young lives -
The Environment Should Be Like A Magnet, Which Draws Kids To Want To Be There.

Each school is equipped with Auditoriums and many have facilities which can function as Craft and Vocation Training, and Teach "Real Life Economic" of the Working Class Individual. This can be expanded to teach higher level of what is Investment Learning, and how markets works. But first and foremost, teach them how "Real Life Working Class Economic Function".

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We need to begin to teach "Anti Bullying" but first to do so, we have to constructively replace bullying with a sense of Willingness to Be of Assistance. When young people develop their value system of self, and the high point is compassionate understanding, they are less inclined to even consider the concept of bullying.

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Start Earlier talking about "Family Dynamics", the roles, the responsibilities and the duties of what is a family member as it relates to solid principles. Communication, Respect, Consideration, Compassion, the meaning of Social Welfare as it relates to family function and interactions. Teach the responsibility involved in being a youth, what it cost to a family to invest and raise a child.

IF we continue to omit these things, and come with the same old concept of "these are things people should learn at home"; then we continue to promote failure within the scope of these dynamics.

Today, many people come from broken homes and they learn very well how and what is a broken home. As people -we create and re-create what we know and what is within our environment. Many of the parents of these broken homes do not have advanced communication skills, they don't often have the peace of mind and environment to teach compassion, respect and considerations, as the parent is often caught in the struggle of putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their heads and many parents are struggling with wanting or building a mate relations in their own lives as well. (These are reality truths). We can't omit to regard and acknowledge these things.

These are truth which exist. We can go backwards a bit to learn how to move forward, because many of these things we have over time omitted to consider, and disregarded to teach, and wrongly assumed these things were taught only in the home; what we have found these are the same things which contribute to the decaying society, because they are NOT always taught in the home.

When Schools focus on Teaching Ethics to the young and give young people some basic understanding of how Philisophy works to function in society. They provide the child with something they can build upon over the years as they progress in their schooling as well as within their general living process. Let's stop assuming everyone gets this at home, because we know its not true. If we know its not true, then let's change, and build it within our schools educational programming and function.

If we grasp the True Value Points of This, We contribute to building a better society over-all.


Affulent society does not have the same dynamics of such challenges in the ways many poor and working poor families and their children face, nor does the kids who attend private schools who are a part of families who are unbroken and not challenged by economics. They have a different mentality about their lives and their environment.

If we don't recogonize these discernment factors, then we miss the mark in what we need to address.
These are all young people, we need to broaden their horizons about the culture, the realism of life and the variable factors that impact communities. These will be the young people who will inherit the current day communities. If we teach them well, they too grow and understand how to build better community.

There is a serious break down in communication, there is also the disparity in how public school system function relative to individual schools. The field is not level, nor are the provisions matched. This is a big undertaking, due to the decades these differences have been allowed to become unsync'd and out of alignment.

We too have to engage in utilizing the various means of teaching, with understanding of how people learn. Then we can work on things like "common core", but at some point that has to be some commonest in the core of how people learn. We don't know enough to do it right yet. If we did there would not be the challenges to common core and there would be a smoother method to transistion students to learn with some commonest to the core of what and how they learn.
( I certainly don't have the answer) But there is an answer. As a thought, I'd say do it progressively, by this as the student progresses from one grade to the next, add in some factors. But to change the whole programming at once, seems to have met many challenges.

Reading and Reading Comprehension is a very big matter. A matter of which more time may well be focused in how to understand written text. Then, phase two, is how to understand verbal nuiances.
This may be a big help in the current generations, who are very tempermental, and get inflamed quickly by the various nuiances within conversation. This too, is to include teaching a broader context of "Spelling", so that kids learn the various usages of words.

It has to become the choice of the children to make the Public Schools be the best.

When we look at the broader spectrum of America, it is and will remain being the Public Schools that will provide the bulk of education to the broader population.

It's time to focus on Making Public Schools -To "Be The Best".

Get back to teaching the old way, which includes classroom interactivity within the learning process.

Remember, As American people, the Who, What, When, Where and How are very important, the kids will always inquire about the "WHY as well as "WHY NOT". (allow time within the lesson planning to engage the students).


Let's not belittle or mislabel them because they are being as Americans are. "Inquisitive", "Thinking Ourside the Box", and "looking for reason and meaning", to go into what they are ingesting.

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Old 11-18-2015, 05:02 AM
 
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If we understood the massive size of public schools, we'd understand it is worthwhile to promote young people to want to make public schools stand out.
Children are capable of learning and they are capable of being outstanding in their academic achievements.
When society grasp the greater need for more improved public schools and performance, then and only then will we give it the credit of focus that it truly is due and certainly is needed.

Don't allow the times, the politics and other matters push us into some delusion that all kids are going to end up at private schools, if we understand this, and value our tax dollars spent on public schooling then we will become driven to want to push them to the top.
We need young people to feel confident about their school and about themselves, then they excel.

Private schools give kids some confidence and they use it to excel. We can do the same things with public schools if we really try -"as a society".
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Old 11-18-2015, 05:11 AM
 
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If we understood the massive size of public schools, we'd understand it is worthwhile to promote young people to want to make public schools stand out.
Children are capable of learning and they are capable of being outstanding in their academic achievements.
When society grasp the greater need for more improved public schools and performance, then and only then will we give it the credit of focus that it truly is due and certainly is needed.

Don't allow the times, the politics and other matters push us into some delusion that all kids are going to end up at private schools, if we understand this, and value our tax dollars spent on public schooling then we will become driven to want to push them to the top.
We need young people to feel confident about their school and about themselves, then they excel.

Private schools give kids some confidence and they use it to excel. We can do the same things with public schools if we really try -"as a society".
Private schools give kids confidence? That's not always the case. I admit I couldn't get through most of this post.
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Old 11-18-2015, 05:40 AM
 
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If we understood the massive size of public schools, we'd understand it is worthwhile to promote young people to want to make public schools stand out.
Children are capable of learning and they are capable of being outstanding in their academic achievements.
When society grasp the greater need for more improved public schools and performance, then and only then will we give it the credit of focus that it truly is due and certainly is needed.

Don't allow the times, the politics and other matters push us into some delusion that all kids are going to end up at private schools, if we understand this, and value our tax dollars spent on public schooling then we will become driven to want to push them to the top.
We need young people to feel confident about their school and about themselves, then they excel.

Private schools give kids some confidence and they use it to excel. We can do the same things with public schools if we really try -"as a society".
Can I ask you when was the last time you were in an elementary school? Do you realize that many, many schools in the US are small? Our school district has 3,000 students K-12 with 1,000 of them in the High School and the other 2,000 spread between elementary schools (3), an Intermediate school (1) and a middle school (1). Most elementary schools have classes with 25 students or less. Most students are in public schools and their parents have no thoughts of taking them out because they are satisfied with the education their children are getting.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:07 AM
 
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Can I ask you when was the last time you were in an elementary school? Do you realize that many, many schools in the US are small? Our school district has 3,000 students K-12 with 1,000 of them in the High School and the other 2,000 spread between elementary schools (3), an Intermediate school (1) and a middle school (1). Most elementary schools have classes with 25 students or less. Most students are in public schools and their parents have no thoughts of taking them out because they are satisfied with the education their children are getting.
This has always killed me. Study, after study, after study has shown that parents, and the students, are overwhelmingly either satisfied or very satisified with the school the child attends and the teacher/s the child has. The rare exceptions are in violent/rough schools. Even then, it is amazing how often most of those parents and students say the teacher/school is doing the best they can and seem to really care, it's just hard with some of the kids. What everyone is so dissatisfied with is everyone else's school. And why? Because the politicians and media tell them they should be.

However.... If the DOJ and the rest of the federal government agencies, run by people with zero experience teaching in schools or even working with real children, keep creating regulations that cripple the ability of those in the trenches to do their job, that will change.

Education in this country has not improved with federal meddling.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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This has always killed me. Study, after study, after study has shown that parents, and the students, are overwhelmingly either satisfied or very satisified with the school the child attends and the teacher/s the child has. The rare exceptions are in violent/rough schools. Even then, it is amazing how often most of those parents and students say the teacher/school is doing the best they can and seem to really care, it's just hard with some of the kids. What everyone is so dissatisfied with is everyone else's school. And why? Because the politicians and media tell them they should be.

However.... If the DOJ and the rest of the federal government agencies, run by people with zero experience teaching in schools or even working with real children, keep creating regulations that cripple the ability of those in the trenches to do their job, that will change.

Education in this country has not improved with federal meddling.
This sentence says it all.
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Old 11-18-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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Can I ask you when was the last time you were in an elementary school? Do you realize that many, many schools in the US are small? Our school district has 3,000 students K-12 with 1,000 of them in the High School and the other 2,000 spread between elementary schools (3), an Intermediate school (1) and a middle school (1). Most elementary schools have classes with 25 students or less. Most students are in public schools and their parents have no thoughts of taking them out because they are satisfied with the education their children are getting.
Actually, I do have info, I watched restructuring and I watched as some closed and some were consolidated, due to student numbers.
America went into the "late 1970's, 1980's and 1990" with the mentality of population reduction and the results are showing.
We also had many demographic and population shifts, as various areas fell down due job loss, factory and industry closing and being un-maintained; poverty set in along with everything poverty brings with it and destroyed many once thriving communities. over the years we have had so many new communities to spring up in distant sections of various locations, as housing developments move out to create new suburbs.

We still have on a nation wide level, a great many students in our public schools.

The numbers you mention may even be good, because before,when the number were 30+ the cry and discord was about "too many" students in the class. So, if the numbers are down, that should be a positive for the uptick toward performance at the public schools. They can adjust their lesson plans to afford more time for student interactions as well as seek and find ways to make these schools perform better. At least we are not talking "overcrowding".

America was built by people from public school educations, it certainly can rebuild itself by and through the public school educations of our young people. Everything requires adjustments, we just need to make the adjustments to push for improvements.

I just think the system could do well to focus on improving the goals of public schools.
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What everyone is so dissatisfied with is everyone else's school. And why? Because the politicians and media tell them they should be.

However.... If the DOJ and the rest of the federal government agencies, run by people with zero experience teaching in schools or even working with real children, keep creating regulations that cripple the ability of those in the trenches to do their job
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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Can I ask you when was the last time you were in an elementary school? Do you realize that many, many schools in the US are small? Our school district has 3,000 students K-12 with 1,000 of them in the High School and the other 2,000 spread between elementary schools (3), an Intermediate school (1) and a middle school (1). Most elementary schools have classes with 25 students or less. Most students are in public schools and their parents have no thoughts of taking them out because they are satisfied with the education their children are getting.
Out here in the "wild west" districts, at least in the urban areas (that is not an oxymoron, BTW) are large, huge by eastern standards. The biggest district in CO is Denver Public Schools with about 90,000 students (2014). Next is Jefferson County with ~ 86,500 (2014). Now Jeffco used to be quite rural/wildland and I believe that's why it has a county-wide school district. It does have schools in the mountain areas of the county as well as the Denver suburbs.

However, many of the schools are small-ish in both districts, and class size is not huge.
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Old 11-18-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Out here in the "wild west" districts, at least in the urban areas (that is not an oxymoron, BTW) are large, huge by eastern standards. The biggest district in CO is Denver Public Schools with about 90,000 students (2014). Next is Jefferson County with ~ 86,500 (2014). Now Jeffco used to be quite rural/wildland and I believe that's why it has a county-wide school district. It does have schools in the mountain areas of the county as well as the Denver suburbs.

However, many of the schools are small-ish in both districts, and class size is not huge.
Piggybacking on this but also speaking to the OP: You can have a large school with small classes still. What's nice about a large district or school is the opportunities for extra curriculars, and AP classes will likely be endless.
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Old 11-18-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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I recall from years of living in Los Angeles Area, the constant complain about "class size" being a condition from overcrowding. This may not be the case in various counties with lesser populations and lesser cities within the counties.
Though there is a variable to consider when we talk about area with Populations such as Los Angeles County of 10 million, Then we looks at other counties with 3 mil, as well as number in-between and lesser. Those factors are what they are.

The benefit if we can call it, is as some discuss of lesser class sizes. A matter becomes to keep the politicians out of it, and let the schools first and foremost make their teaching adjustments to include how they can improve teacher to student interaction. Then the lesser class size becomes a plus factor as it relates to performance outcomes. As to budget matter such as mentioned above, when schools are consolidate within segments of the district, as well as those closed. Will have a greater or less impact on class size, at various levels of the academic programming. (Grade school, Middle school and High school).

As first discussed in the OP - These can be great opportunities to bring back skill development courses, culture development programming, and other 'whole person" development programming.
It is equally so, important to put high emphasis on "in school" ethnic training, and back to teaching 'social manner and social graces" (I recall in the second grade, we had good training on social manners and social graces taught within our programming.)

There is so much we can do, thought I'm delighted to hear the comments of the satisfaction point with many public schools as previous commentators have stated.

It's always hard dealing with the hard core impoverished and devastated communities of some inner cities especially in major metro's where things have almost completely broken down on social and civic function, and no viable means for economic uplift or in some cases even meeting and maintaining basic's of self sustainability of individuals and children.
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