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Old 12-02-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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CC is the follow on to NCLB Frank.

That's when curriculum started changing.

CC is just more reform over the NCLB reform.
Race to the Top is the follow-on to NCLB.

CC is a completely different type of reform from those two. We have had many changes like this over the decades, well before NCLB. How soon we forget New Math, CES, Connected Math, Core-Plus, Everyday Math, Mathland, etc.
English/reading has had several of these shifts (remember when everyone read "Great Books"?) but most of this triggered in math in the late 1980s/early 1990s when the new NCTM standards came out.
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Old 12-02-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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CC is the follow on to NCLB Frank.

That's when curriculum started changing.

CC is just more reform over the NCLB reform.
NCLB was an attempt to introduce more accountability and standardized testing to schools. CC establishes common core standards, but has relatively little to say about curriculum or testing. CC has been established after NCLB, but it's not directly related in any particular way. For one thing, NCLB is a federal legislative effort, while CC is a cooperative state-level effort. So I don't see how CC is a "follow on" to NCLB.
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Old 12-02-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Count up the groupings, and you see there are six ways to arrange the stamps.
9, 9
9, 6, 3
9, 3, 3, 3
6, 6, 6
6, 6, 3, 3
6, 3, 3, 3, 3
3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

That's seven. But that's okay. I came up with the same answer on page 1, so I agree with you.
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Old 12-02-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Here is a word problem from my son's 3rd grade math quiz. His teacher crossed it out and asked every kid to skip it. It is on the "Go Math!", published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. How is the wording? What is the answer? Is it for 3rd graders?

It seems all the great problems are from Asia, and all those bad ones are common core related. I really wish my son's school using Singapore math.
I am teaching my daughter Singapore Math after school, I am a mathy person, and I love Singapore Math.

But even the Singapore Math books occasionally have a badly worded word problem or an incorrect answer in the teacher's guide. I'm pretty sure that's true across all textbooks across time. I don't really think it has anything to do with Common Core.

Come on, not one of you remembers being in grade school and seeing a math problem in the book that was badly worded? And usually the teacher would skip that one when writing out the list of assigned problems for homework?
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Old 12-02-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Just to clarify, Singapore Math is completely compatible with Common Core. Common Core is a set of standards, Singapore Math is a methodology. CC doesn't specify the methodology, which is determined locally and can be Singapore Math or whatever else is favored.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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Just because a question is poorly worded doesn't mean the concepts of common core are bad.
I didn't say the concepts are bad. CC math standard is not good enough when compete with the high performing Asian countries.

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I find it quite laughable that so many parents can't figure out their 4th grader's homework complain about common core being bad. There's another way to look at it, parents. Perhaps the education you got was so subpar you never really learned the proper way to do math and it is being clearly illustrated to you because you can't help your 4th grader.
That is laughable, very true. I am glad that I am not among them. I got my rigorous elementary math education in Hong Kong years ago. My son's math homework can't hold a candle to what I did then. Our standard is too low. By the end of 8th grade, American students could be 2 grades behind in math. I am helping my kids math every weekend and make sure they are up to the Asian level. Is common core math college ready? I doubt it. SAT math is a joke. Many high school kids in Hong Kong or Singapore can do well in that test.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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IMO a poorly worded problem such as this should be left on the test, and any reasonable answer should be given credit.
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Old 12-02-2015, 10:21 PM
 
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From how the question was written, I go with the answer of 3. Because it uses the word "or" in the definition of the groupings, that implies the stamp book only works in groups of 3 OR groups of 6 OR groups of 9. Which implies the other options such as 9 + 3 + 3 +3 or such are off the table. So just from the discussion on this thread, we can see the question was ambiguous because it depended on the interpretation of the wording.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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This thread is a very good example of why teaching is so frustrating. There are a couple of actual educators in this thread. The rest are just people with an opinion. And teachers are always in the position of being required to cater to each person's "opinion".
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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That's seven. But that's okay. I came up with the same answer on page 1, so I agree with you.
Yeah, that's why you show your work
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