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Old 09-03-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Residing in FL which I believe have laws against skipping ahead...

We have 4 yr old twin boys that have been reading since 2.5yrs old. They can also count by 2's, 3's, 5's, and 10's to 1,000 if necessary. They are able to count multiple digits such as a problem like 7+4+3+6+2 and figure it out in their heads. They are given workbooks (with no verbal instructions (again they can read themselves and complete the tasks assigned) Along with other skills ahead of their appropriate years.

They turn 5 at the end of the yr and are in VPK.

As a parent, a very active one which carved out time and worked hard to get them to this point, it's hard to watch them head to class and watch kids their age basically eat buggers and throw tantrums. When asked what they learned at school and they reply nothing it hurts my heart. They struggle understanding why the other kids in the class don't write, can't read, and don't behave themselves in class. I would hate to see the foundation built squandered and wasted.
So what are you going to do about it? You are their parents. You need to be the one who solves the problem. You are not a passive receiver of your life. Be active. Figure out a solution.
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Don't worry, in all likelihood their peers will be all caught up by the end of 1st grade! PreK and K just level the playing field as much as possible. How much parents taught them before then is irrelevant by middle school.
No they won't. Maybe a few, but for most the way they will "catch up" is school will hold the better students back. If the Olympics were run like most schools, Usain Bolt would be required to drag an anvil and run an extra 40 meters just to do the 100.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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No they won't. Maybe a few, but for most the way they will "catch up" is school will hold the better students back. If the Olympics were run like most schools, Usain Bolt would be required to drag an anvil and run an extra 40 meters just to do the 100.
Most kids in your typical school are well on their way if not already reading on grade level by first grade. It is expected that the can count by 2s, 5s, etc. No one is systematically holding back 6 yos.

So yes, most of the other kid will be caught up. The reality is the truly exceptional (like that 12 yo at cornell) are not a year or two ahead of their peers but light years ahead, and those that are just a year or two ahead before school starts are that way because parents pushed it not because they are gifted. They may be above average but everyone seems to think a child who can read early is einstein. The vast majority are not.
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Old 09-03-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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So what are you going to do about it? You are their parents. You need to be the one who solves the problem. You are not a passive receiver of your life. Be active. Figure out a solution.
I do not respect people who carp and criticize. To my mind these people post personal stuff on here to get advice on solutions, thoughts out of the box. Self-righteous and downright mean comments are not called for.

One of the constructive uses of CD is to seek out-of-the-box solutions, and to draw on the accumulated knowledge of the community.
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Old 09-03-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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Most kids in your typical school are well on their way if not already reading on grade level by first grade. It is expected that the can count by 2s, 5s, etc. No one is systematically holding back 6 yos.

So yes, most of the other kid will be caught up. The reality is the truly exceptional (like that 12 yo at cornell) are not a year or two ahead of their peers but light years ahead, and those that are just a year or two ahead before school starts are that way because parents pushed it not because they are gifted. They may be above average but everyone seems to think a child who can read early is einstein. The vast majority are not.


Really? So why do the kids who can read ahead get punished for not "keeping place" while the slowest kids grind through words one letter at a time? Why do classes move at the pace of the slow students? Why does the US education system get its butt kicked by most comparisons? Schools are designed to push everyone toward an "average" and over time that "average" has become pretty darn mediocre.
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:29 AM
 
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Residing in FL which I believe have laws against skipping ahead...

We have 4 yr old twin boys that have been reading since 2.5yrs old. They can also count by 2's, 3's, 5's, and 10's to 1,000 if necessary. They are able to count multiple digits such as a problem like 7+4+3+6+2 and figure it out in their heads. They are given workbooks (with no verbal instructions (again they can read themselves and complete the tasks assigned) Along with other skills ahead of their appropriate years.

They turn 5 at the end of the yr and are in VPK.

As a parent, a very active one which carved out time and worked hard to get them to this point, it's hard to watch them head to class and watch kids their age basically eat buggers and throw tantrums. When asked what they learned at school and they reply nothing it hurts my heart. They struggle understanding why the other kids in the class don't write, can't read, and don't behave themselves in class. I would hate to see the foundation built squandered and wasted.
They turn 5 at the end of the year meaning this calendar year?

If so, they are older than the majority of their classmates? Given the 9/1 Fl VPK cut-off date?

At that age, months can make a difference in development. Both cognitively and emotionally.

My youngest was born in January. I didn't put him in to a pre-k 4 year old class until he had 8 months of being 4 years old under his belt.

He had a miserable year. What I ended up finding was that the majority of his small (independent private school) classmates started pre-k 4 at 5 years old. And were turning 6 in the spring and over the summer months. He had just turned 5. I thought he was one of the oldest. He turned out to be one of the youngest.

This is why he was in a "special reading class". In Pre-K and again in Kindergarten. The majority of his classmates should have been at LEAST 1 grade ahead. When it came to age. Talk about breaking down his self-confidence to cater to the older kids who should have been in an age-appropriate grades. The school/teachers catered to the majority.

He caught up and surpassed this past school year. 2nd grade. He's starting 3rd grade on Tuesday and is looking forward to it. Summer reading/math packet done as well as the two summer-reading books and a whole bunch of others. All Goosebumps extra curriculars, but at least he likes to read & enjoys it. Now.

Also, as a mother to a frosh and senior in HS this school year? Those genius 4 year olds don't always carry their genius through the years and the kids whose parents think, "I'm worried about him, maybe we should get him tested?" can and will surprise everyone.

Best of luck, but remember: some of those 4 year old booger-eaters might end up at an Ivy one day.

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Old 09-04-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Really? So why do the kids who can read ahead get punished for not "keeping place" while the slowest kids grind through words one letter at a time? Why do classes move at the pace of the slow students? Why does the US education system get its butt kicked by most comparisons? Schools are designed to push everyone toward an "average" and over time that "average" has become pretty darn mediocre.
I have long said that questions that start with "why" are begging the issue. All of these "why" questions are untrue, especially the bold.
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Old 09-04-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Really? So why do the kids who can read ahead get punished for not "keeping place" while the slowest kids grind through words one letter at a time?
Ok. Please show some evidence of students getting "punished" as common practice.

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Why do classes move at the pace of the slow students?
They don't. Reading is typically a pull out class, one of the last bastions of tracking. Kids get separated into reading groups based on skill level in most schools, and the slowest kids go to read with the reading specialist.

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Why does the US education system get its butt kicked by most comparisons?
Because we test more of our population than most other systems. Second because our disabled students are in our public schools getting an education, and many of them are pulling down averages, and finally because we have overwhelming child poverty for a developed nation. These are issue for another thread.

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Schools are designed to push everyone toward an "average" and over time that "average" has become pretty darn mediocre.
Nonsense.
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Old 09-04-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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I do not respect people who carp and criticize. To my mind these people post personal stuff on here to get advice on solutions, thoughts out of the box. Self-righteous and downright mean comments are not called for.

One of the constructive uses of CD is to seek out-of-the-box solutions, and to draw on the accumulated knowledge of the community.
I don't think it is mean to tell someone that they are the boss of their own life and that they need to be active in finding solutions to their problems. If the current school situation of the OPs children is unacceptable then she does not have to just accept it.

She can move her kids to a different school. This may require paying tuition, moving to a different neighborhood or applying to magnet schools.

She can home school them. This is a lot of effort.

She can try to work within the current system.
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Old 09-04-2016, 01:41 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I don't think it is mean to tell someone that they are the boss of their own life and that they need to be active in finding solutions to their problems. If the current school situation of the OPs children is unacceptable then she does not have to just accept it.

She can move her kids to a different school. This may require paying tuition, moving to a different neighborhood or applying to magnet schools.

She can home school them. This is a lot of effort.

She can try to work within the current system.
Maybe she's looking for just such suggestions. A more constructive tone would help.
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