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Old 08-25-2017, 03:28 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Why their performance in a school and demonstrated aptitude should determine which path is funded for them. They can always choose and fund their own college or trade school. But the ones who get the ride should be the ones who can pay it forward by their performance.

In every other field opportunities are based on performance and potential. Why is education different?
I don't know what you mean.

Are you unaware of "late bloomers"? I really hate the system in some European countries, which is what you're advocating. In some countries, it's decided for the kid by age 10 whether s/he will go to college or trade school.

CC with its open admissions is fine with me. If someone does well, they can transfer to 4 year.
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Old 08-25-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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I don't know what you mean.

Are you unaware of "late bloomers"? I really hate the system in some European countries, which is what you're advocating. In some countries, it's decided for the kid by age 10 whether s/he will go to college or trade school.

CC with its open admissions is fine with me. If someone does well, they can transfer to 4 year.
I'm talking a system where college and trade school are provided free just like High School. To make that investment worthwhile, it should be provided to those who are ready from the starting line. Late bloomers can pay for it themselves if they want it.


We have to get past seeing college as binary -- either something totally on the individual or as something to make folks feel good and see it as a national imperative. Our national competitiveness and ultimately our national security are at stake and too many, on both the conservative/libertarian (pay for it yourself POV) side and the liberal (let's make everyone feel good about themselves) side have lost sight of it. China will graduate more scientists and engineers than we will graduate people for just one example. Our scientists and engineers, along with accountants, business managers who design the products, and the skilled tradespeople who make them happen will be our front line in the economic battle. We need to fund their education.
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Old 08-25-2017, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Actually, I see no reason to be so terrified of our own children.
Children aren't terrifying. Undereducated children who have gained insufficient senses of personal accountability, responsibility and ability to follow through on tasks and see them through to completion run a higher risk of being a drain on society in the long run. It's unfortunate and frustrating, but not scary, IMO.
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Old 08-25-2017, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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What they need to add is debt to income ratio to demonstrate the full financial picture.

All those kids $40k to $100K in debt.
For those of you watching from the stands, this is NOT the average amount borrowed in pursuit of an undergraduate degree. Midthirties is the current average.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:33 PM
 
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"truant" means you have a lousy education ethic that probably came from poor parenting.
I'd say that if someone is working full-time instead of going to school, they have a good work ethic because they're working full-time instead of using our taxpayer dollars in school.
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