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Old 08-20-2017, 11:10 PM
 
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you go from being "truant" for not wanting to go to school to being "entitled" for wanting to go to school? Why is it that high school attendance is seen as an civic duty while college attendance is seen as a priviledge?
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:17 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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you go from being "truant" for not wanting to go to school to being "entitled" for wanting to go to school? Why is it that high school attendance is seen as an civic duty while college attendance is seen as a priviledge?
Taxpayer is paying for k-12 (and schooling is required by law in some states)

12+ is on your own dime... and on your own 'CHOICE'.

ANY education is a Privilege, ESPECIALLY when funded by employers (lost productivity and HIGH expenses in scrap, and high risk for employers) for when you should have been listening in 4th grade... "How-to-read-a-tape-measure" & how to understand fractions...
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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Because a child becoming educated through high school benefits the public, and a high school graduate going to college benefits the individual.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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you go from being "truant" for not wanting to go to school to being "entitled" for wanting to go to school? Why is it that high school attendance is seen as an civic duty while college attendance is seen as a priviledge?
You can legally drop out of high school at age 18 without parental consent. I believe the age (in most states?) to drop out is lower if you have parental consent.


We as a society don't want a bunch of feral hooligans running around the slums or worse yet, running around the middle class areas. Hence the truancy laws. That shouldn't be hard to grasp.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Adults owe a duty to dependent children. But once a person turns 18, that person is an adult, and becomes responsible for himself/herself. If that adult desires further education beyond what the public schools provide, it's up to that adult to make the arrangements to obtain it and pay for it.
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Because a child becoming educated through high school benefits the public, and a high school graduate going to college benefits the individual.
I disagree. We need doctors, nurses, lawyers, engineers and the like to keep society running. We need the liberal arts people as well.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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Because once upon a time college was reserved for those with money and hence, privilege. There are still many today who think of it as a useless privilege. The reality is in today's world, college is just as essential for many as high school and just as vital to our long term success and security as a nation as learning abc's. Unfortunately still too many look at it as a privilege rather than the essential national imperative it really is.


While I don't believe everyone should go to college, those who have the ability and the focus should be provided a basic four year degree just like we do for high school now. Those who don't have the ability should be provided technical education following high school.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:09 AM
 
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We as a society don't want a bunch of feral hooligans running around the slums or worse yet, running around the middle class areas. Hence the truancy laws. That shouldn't be hard to grasp.
Actually, I see no reason to be so terrified of our own children.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:45 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Actually, I see no reason to be so terrified of our own children.
Then you've not been around any of the aforementioned feral young adults.

Instead of posting about it why don't you just quit school and move out on your own?
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:59 AM
 
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While I don't believe everyone should go to college, those who have the ability and the focus should be provided a basic four year degree just like we do for high school now. Those who don't have the ability should be provided technical education following high school.
The fallacy here is that many "technical" type jobs require as much "ability and focus" ... if not more ... than "a basic four year degree" in many disciplines.

Auto techs

HVAC techs

are but two of many trade jobs that come to mind.

Such is the arrogance of the college degree mindset. In all candor, I know a lot of children of friends these days with "4-year college degrees" that almost qualify them to be a clerk at a supermarket. Such is the level to which so many "basic" degree programs have fallen in the business of "higher education". And make no mistake, higher education is a business ... even in the not-for-profit state school systems, it's a business from the community colleges all the way through the university levels. With college profs knocking down tenured six-figure salaries, generous time off, sabbaticals to research topics of little meaning beyond esoteric discussion among their peers .... it's a business unto itself.

Recently, I've seen a number of MSW's fighting over entry level jobs paying $12/hr in our region. But the sad part is that those who couldn't find work but were financially able (grants, loans, family assistance) went on to get their PhD's ... and then still were competing for those entry level jobs to find gainful employment. How did so many of them wind up as MSW's? simple ... they couldn't find meaningful income with their basic degree in social work so went on to get that MSW degree.

Have another friend with a son that was interested in a career in politics upon his HS graduation. Got his "basic" college degree and then went on to a Master's in Economics. Couldn't find gainful employment with those degrees (from Columbia, no less ... on Daddy's dime), but found satisfaction and recreation in crew activities. Has been rowing at international events for these college years. Could be an Olympic competitor, he's good at this. Now has a full-ride scholarship for a PhD in Econ with a 3-yr window to get 'er done.
More years of fun rowing at events here and in Europe and in net effect being paid to do so. Will likely wind up in a teaching job perpetuating his professional education career of almost 12 years post HS graduation. It's a lifestyle, I guess. Will have all those degrees and I doubt will contribute anything meaningful to society due to his education achievements as implied by the poster above. He's a bright personable kid, tremendous athlete ... but not doing anything I'd call productive. Nor does he care to be productive as long as he can enjoy his recreational activities and afford a modest lifestyle.

I've got a local church group, a very strict sect that has their own school through 11th grade. Frankly, I've seen their kids demonstrate a higher level of reasoning skills and knowledge of basic HS subjects to a level that would put most college sophomores and juniors to shame. Been watching this group for 17 years now and their results are remarkable and consistent. Interesting that most of their teachers are volunteers who receive a very small stipend and community support. And their teachers frequently take a year or two off to do teaching outreach jobs overseas where their educational support helps others in less privileged communities. These people are making a difference in a very positive way. They consider it their obligation to be of assistance, so the lifestyle is not an imposition on them. The key difference is that these "teachers" don't have a formal education beyond 11th grade, although they do take it upon themselves to continue their studies on subjects of interest to them via independent studies. They don't have a union, they have no retirement benefits, and they don't have all the perks and income of the professional education business. They're just good at what they do and are passionate about it.

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