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Old 09-07-2017, 06:53 PM
 
Location: North
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My kids classrooms have been between 17 - 22 kids. I think that's a good size class.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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Zero! Classrooms are technologically obsolete.

Wrong, still the right classroom environment is ten times better then any hoe school environment.The social interaction alone makes classrooms more valuable.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We chose a school with a 7:1-8:1 student:teacher ratio.

Actual. Not theoretical.

The best has always been 1:1.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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I am an older boomer and my grade school years were from 1954-1960. Our classes were from 35-40 students. However, we were all white bread and ranged from lower to upper middle class. The trouble makers were sent to another school (the boys who would start fights). Special Ed kids were not mainstreamed but were in a separate class at another school. We had no ESL, DARE, or other special programs. In other words, no distractions. I believe we all got a good education at the time.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Zero! Classrooms are technologically obsolete.
some conditions are still ok, but not preferred. BTW: There were 250+ kids in our Homeschool group (20 yrs ago, 10x that amount today) .

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Wrong, still the right classroom environment is ten times better then any hoe school environment.The social interaction alone makes classrooms more valuable.
Employers, community leaders, military, social leadership has proven over and over this concept is wrong for nearly 150 yrs... SCHOOL / 'peer' socialization is a negative influence to the successful social integration of 'adult' (responsible) behavior.

Just hire a group of each (Homeschoolers and public / classroom schooled)

Your business success and customers will quickly respond to the appropriate group that enhances the product, deliverable, work relationships, and profit...

You want a staff of employees standing around with their hands in their pockets waiting for instruction (and WAITING / insisting on their paycheck...)? Guess who

I have hired AND trained WAY too many 'public schooled' employees(?). Hopefully my last! Tho I will gladly take responsible and capable employees, regardless of schooling.

Was great to get news today of a previous Homeschooler peer of my kids running orphanages and tradeschools for troubled young adults in an Asian country. Many of our previous homeschool group are in demanding and responsible social positions (Teachers, public defenders, Lawyers / Drs, Congressional persons, law enforcement, military leaders, Mayors......) no shortage of socialization skills. No worries...

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Old 09-07-2017, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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Is it possible for a district to institute a cap for classroom size, or even to re-zone schools to balance class sizes? Is that somewhat common?


Sometimes. We moved from a town that was rapidly growing due to new construction 10 years ago. They had to keep building new schools to keep up with all the new children coming into the district. Property taxes also sky rocketed due to this and the schools kept getting rezoned as well.


24 kids per classroom is average here and if there's more than that then they assign a teachers aide to the class. Obviously a teacher can only give so much attention per child so the bigger the class the harder it is for a child to get one on one attention if needed. As a parent, if the bigger class size concerns you I would go to a school board meeting and bring it up.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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some conditions are still ok, but not preferred. BTW: There were 250+ kids in our Homeschool group (20 yrs ago, 10x that amount today) .



Employers, community leaders, military, social leadership has proven over and over this concept is wrong for nearly 150 yrs... SCHOOL / 'peer' socialization is a negative influence to the successful social integration of 'adult' (responsible) behavior.

Just hire a group of each (Homeschoolers and public / classroom schooled)

Your business success and customers will quickly respond to the appropriate group that enhances the product, deliverable, work relationships, and profit...

You want a staff of employees standing around with their hands in their pockets waiting for instruction (and WAITING / insisting on their paycheck...)? Guess who

I have hired AND trained WAY too many 'public schooled' employees(?). Hopefully my last! Tho I will gladly take responsible and capable employees, regardless of schooling.

Was great to get news today of a previous Homeschooler peer of my kids running orphanages and tradeschools for troubled young adults in an Asian country. Many of our previous homeschool group are in demanding and responsible social positions (Teachers, public defenders, Lawyers / Drs, Congressional persons, law enforcement, military leaders, Mayors......) no shortage of socialization skills. No worries...


The OP did NOT ask about homeschooling!
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:02 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Wrong, still the right classroom environment is ten times better then any hoe school environment.The social interaction alone makes classrooms more valuable.
What percentage of kids end up in the right classroom?

Are the schools just designed to produce good brainwashed workers while television makes brainwashed consumers?

It is almost half-a-century since the Moon landing. How can any "EDUCATED" person not figure out that Planned Obsolescence has been going on in automobiles for DECADES? Yet I have talked to a man who told me he "Loved cars" but he could not tell a cam shaft from a crank shaft.

Now we have planned obsolescence in computer software and can't resolve global warming, but you are worried about the socialization in classrooms.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:46 PM
 
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I say it depends on the age group.

Elementary: 15 to 1
High School: 20 to 1
College: 60 to 1 (teacher can focus more on the student learning and has less classes to teach and less classroom management to deal with such as discipline, parent interaction, extra curricular stuff, etc.)
I was once a military "Platform Instructor" and sometimes had 120 to 1 ratio, but it was a much more controlled environment with mostly one way interaction between me and the students.

And those advocating NO classrooms or ALL technology based education, I believe at least for younger students, the social interaction is much part of the learning experience than the teacher student interactions. We also learn from one another.
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Old 09-08-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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I think it depends on a number of other factors - for example, in a high school honors class with students who have relatively stable home lives for the most part and are motivated, a class of 35 is unlikely to be much an issue. In my perspective as a teacher, I'd say anything in the 20s is good and low 30s is usually okay too but not quite as good - and a few kids more or less does not make much difference most of the time. I think for elementary or any high needs environment, I'd prefer anything from 15-25, and if going above 25 I would advocate for more staff - at least a full-time teacher's aide or something along those lines.

And I second the above re: tech education - I've seen so many families try it and fail - in order for online education to work, the student must be highly motivated, have good study skills, and know how to learn. Most youth do not yet have the skills or discipline to really learn well in that format - and many adults do not, either.
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