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Old 09-14-2017, 05:59 AM
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Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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None of the examples you are giving are 4th amendment issues. I don't know how you don't see that.
Yet another linear thinker.

They were meant to be examples of the very wide discretion given public school administrators, both by code and by various Court (meaning Supreme Court) decisions.

I thought you are a teacher. Did you not have any courses in school law during Practicum?

If you are a teacher here's what will happen if you start yelling 4th Amendment over an administrative action: you'll start being subjected to intensive. Everything done "by the book". You'll get an unsatisfactory and released.

That's High School Principal 101.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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Yet another linear thinker.

They were meant to be examples of the very wide discretion given public school administrators, both by code and by various Court (meaning Supreme Court) decisions.

I thought you are a teacher. Did you not have any courses in school law during Practicum?

If you are a teacher here's what will happen if you start yelling 4th Amendment over an administrative action: you'll start being subjected to intensive. Everything done "by the book". You'll get an unsatisfactory and released.

That's High School Principal 101.
I have looked at the case law and I have come to a different conclusion. This case will probably go to the state SC who will settle this dispute. Neither my nor your opinion much matters.

When you look at the case law (and you should or else your argument is worthless) you will find that the SCOTUS has increasingly loosened constitutional safeguards to allow testing of students in certain cases... So there is certainly a chance you are right and I am wrong. The law as it stands however is that schools may test students who participate in extra curricular activities as well as students who are showing physical signs of use. Practices such as randomly testing students at a dance are controversial and likely to go to the SCOTUS in the next couple sessions so we do not yet know for sure. Even as a teacher it is my understanding that I, as an individual am allowed to have an opinion on constitutional issues. I did not forfeit that right when I took this job.

Obviously I don't question my own admin... Thank god I'm on an internet forum and this case did not happen in my own school.

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