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Does your school do anything to protect your kid form a tornado? Earthquake? Explosion of a natural gas supply line? getting hit by a texting driver while going to or from school? How about a sudden flash flood the fills the school and drowns students? A teacher spontaneously combusting? Meterorite strike? Riot?
Your school is not safe for a lot of reasons. Hundreds. However they do not generally take steps to protect against extremely remote possibilities. Most of those things listed above are probably way more statistically likely to happen than a mass shooting (maybe all of them).
Does your school do anything to protect your kid form a tornado? Earthquake? Explosion of a natural gas supply line? getting hit by a texting driver while going to or from school? How about a sudden flash flood the fills the school and drowns students? A teacher spontaneously combusting? Meterorite strike? Riot?
Your school is not safe for a lot of reasons. Hundreds. However they do not generally take steps to protect against extremely remote possibilities. Most of those things listed above are probably way more statistically likely to happen than a mass shooting (maybe all of them).
Does your school do anything to protect your kid form a tornado? Earthquake? Explosion of a natural gas supply line? getting hit by a texting driver while going to or from school? How about a sudden flash flood the fills the school and drowns students? A teacher spontaneously combusting? Meterorite strike? Riot?
Your school is not safe for a lot of reasons. Hundreds. However they do not generally take steps to protect against extremely remote possibilities. Most of those things listed above are probably way more statistically likely to happen than a mass shooting (maybe all of them).
While it is true car accidents are one of the leading causes of death for children overall this is sort of disingenuous. I get your point, but shooting deaths are the third leading cause of death for children. Now most of those are obviously not mass school shootings but the idea that it is comparable to meteorite strikes or death by earthquake, of which there are none.
And while it is true that mass shootings are statistically uncommon, gun violence at schools is unfortunately more common. If we talk about just the times guns have been fired at schools, whether or not someone was actually killed or injured than there have nearly 300 instances in the last 5 years. And don't we really want to prevent any guns being fired on school grounds? Hmmm maybe we should define what safe is too while we are defining our terms.
While it is true car accidents are one of the leading causes of death for children overall this is sort of disingenuous. I get your point, but shooting deaths are the third leading cause of death for children. Now most of those are obviously not mass school shootings but the idea that it is comparable to meteorite strikes or death by earthquake, of which there are none.
And while it is true that mass shootings are statistically uncommon, gun violence at schools is unfortunately more common. If we talk about just the times guns have been fired at schools, whether or not someone was actually killed or injured than there have nearly 300 instances in the last 5 years. And don't we really want to prevent any guns being fired on school grounds? Hmmm maybe we should define what safe is too while we are defining our terms.
Yes, when you get into silly statistics games and start counting the people who live next to the school and shot their guns into the air on new years eve, demonstrations, security officers who messed up and discharged a gun, kids driving by at night and shooting at the empty school building as an act of vandalism. . .
Instances where a gun made the school unsafe for the kids are rare, more rare than many or most of the things i listed (however I admit I do not know how frequently teachers spontaneously combust - if ever). The incident we are discussing, the incidents that triggered the concern of this parent is a psychopath entering school ground and randomly shooting kids. This happens virtually never statistically speaking.
The issue being discussed is whether schools need to fortify again such an unlikely event rather than spending more to make them safer against more likely events.
However they did remove all the merry go rounds when 1 in 250,000 users got hurt on them, so maybe they ant to fortify the schools.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to bring a gun onto school grounds. . . . oh wait. . . .
Yes, when you get into silly statistics games and start counting the people who live next to the school and shot their guns into the air on new years eve, demonstrations, security officers who messed up and discharged a gun, kids driving by at night and shooting at the empty school building as an act of vandalism. . .
Instances where a gun made the school unsafe for the kids are rare, more rare than many or most of the things i listed (however I admit I do not know how frequently teachers spontaneously combust - if ever). The incident we are discussing, the incidents that triggered the concern of this parent is a psychopath entering school ground and randomly shooting kids. This happens virtually never statistically speaking.
The issue being discussed is whether schools need to fortify again such an unlikely event rather than spending more to make them safer against more likely events.
However they did remove all the merry go rounds when 1 in 250,000 users got hurt on them, so maybe they ant to fortify the schools.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to bring a gun onto school grounds. . . . oh wait. . . .
Well, arming teachers is generally not the solution
As thousands of students walked out of their schools on Wednesday to pressure Congress to approve gun control legislation, three other students were healing from wounds inflicted when a teacher’s firearm accidentally discharged in a California classroom.
The teacher, Dennis Alexander, who is also a city councilman in Seaside, Calif., was showing the students a gun on Tuesday during his advanced public safety class at Seaside High School when the gun accidentally went off, Marci McFadden, a spokeswoman for the Monterey Peninsula Unified School District, said in a phone interview on Wednesday.
Mr. Alexander was pointing his gun at the ceiling when it fired, she said, causing pieces of the ceiling to fall to the floor. Ms. McFadden said that California law and district policy prohibit teachers from bringing guns on campus.
Yes, when you get into silly statistics games and start counting the people who live next to the school and shot their guns into the air on new years eve, demonstrations, security officers who messed up and discharged a gun, kids driving by at night and shooting at the empty school building as an act of vandalism. . .
It’s odd that you call statistics silly and then your own examples are wildly disingenuous. For example you mention car accidents and earthquakes as if they were similar in likelihood to cause death in your prior post nd here you are pretending that shooting guns on a holiday off school grounds is the same as someone actually firing their gun, albeit accidentally, during school. Again, those are wildly different things, and the scale of which they pose. Risk to students show just how little you understand the statistics you call “silly”.
For example driving is one of the leading causes of death to children. A student just two days ago was injured when a teachers gun accidentally went off in class.
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Instances where a gun made the school unsafe for the kids are rare, more rare than many or most of the things i listed (however I admit I do not know how frequently teachers spontaneously combust - if ever). The incident we are discussing, the incidents that triggered the concern of this parent is a psychopath entering school ground and randomly shooting kids. This happens virtually never statistically speaking.
See the above is just plain old not true. Many more children re injured or die of gun violence at school than most of the things you listed like explosions, earthquakes, floods, literally all of your samples except driving. It just shows that you are not able to rationally assess the risk of guns in school if you cannot differentiate between things that kill no students and those that have killed hundreds to thousands.
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The issue being discussed is whether schools need to fortify again such an unlikely event rather than spending more to make them safer against more likely events.
However they did remove all the merry go rounds when 1 in 250,000 users got hurt on them, so maybe they ant to fortify the schools.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to bring a gun onto school grounds. . . . oh wait. . . .
Maybe you should not pretend you have the ability to assess risk when you think the risk to children of things that have not killed one student is he same as things that are literallly the leading killer?
It’s odd that you call statistics silly and then your own examples are wildly disingenuous. For example you mention car accidents and earthquakes as if they were similar in likelihood to cause death in your prior post nd here you are pretending that shooting guns on a holiday off school grounds is the same as someone actually firing their gun, albeit accidentally, during school. Again, those are wildly different things, and the scale of which they pose. Risk to students show just how little you understand the statistics you call “silly”.
For example driving is one of the leading causes of death to children. A student just two days ago was injured when a teachers gun accidentally went off in class.
See the above is just plain old not true. Many more children re injured or die of gun violence at school than most of the things you listed like explosions, earthquakes, floods, literally all of your samples except driving. It just shows that you are not able to rationally assess the risk of guns in school if you cannot differentiate between things that kill no students and those that have killed hundreds to thousands.
Maybe you should not pretend you have the ability to assess risk when you think the risk to children of things that have not killed one student is he same as things that are literallly the leading killer?
I guess you missed it.
We are not talking about every time a gun fires in or near a school. Let me repeat it for you.
"The incident we are discussing, the incidents that triggered the concern of this parent is a psychopath entering school ground and randomly shooting kids. This happens virtually never statistically speaking."
Keep in mind we are discussing public schools, not colleges, that is a separate issue since they have theory own governance and budgets and issues.
We can do something. We can take simlar measures to those applied at airports. That is what the OP apparently wants from her local school, or at least some greater security measure against a random shooter than nothing at all.
Can we make schools safe against a seven year old pulling the trigger on a policeman's gun while he is vising the school? Probably not. But yes, we can take measures against a psycho walking in and randomly shooting everyone he sees. However the question is whether it is worth the cost given how rare it is. There are many more common evens that endanger kids than a psycho shooting- which to the best of my knowlege has occurred maybe five times in the past thirty years.
The biggest killed of youth is not just car accidents, but kids (or adults, but primarily kids) texting while driving. Incidents happen frequently at or near schools as kids are driving to school and other kids are walking to or around the school. That might be a better security focus. Maybe a cell phone blocker within 100' of the school. Police enforcement in school zones. There are a lot of low cost options to address this problem and somethng meaningful can actually be done.
We are not talking about every time a gun fires in or near a school. Let me repeat it for you.
"The incident we are discussing, the incidents that triggered the concern of this parent is a psychopath entering school ground and randomly shooting kids. This happens virtually never statistically speaking."
That was not the OP. In fact the OP never said what you quoted above. Also, why do you think you get to talk about things outside the realm of your quote above and no one else does? Sort of self serving don't you think?
Anyway, you still don't seem to understand that even if we limit it to just shootings during school time, it is still exponentially more likely that being killed by an earthquake, meteorite or any of the other things that you keep bringing up where no one has died compared to incidents, even using the narrow definition you choose, where hundreds of students have died in the same time period.
And lets talk about natural gas explosions at school. Despite the fact there has not been a natural gas explosion killing students since 1937, we still have school safety measures, expensive ones btw, to prevent just such an explosion. Based on your logic we should not be bothering since it is so uncommon.
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Keep in mind we are discussing public schools, not colleges, that is a separate issue since they have theory own governance and budgets and issues.
If we are discussing public school than why do you keep bringing up texting and driving which is inherently not an in school activity. Sort of hypocritical to demand we not include other shootings that happen at schools outside of your narrow definition due to your definition of the OP and then you keep bring up driving.
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We can do something. We can take simlar measures to those applied at airports. That is what the OP apparently wants from her local school, or at least some greater security measure against a random shooter than nothing at all.
Or we could make it harder for teens to get guns.
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Can we make schools safe against a seven year old pulling the trigger on a policeman's gun while he is vising the school? Probably not. But yes, we can take measures against a psycho walking in and randomly shooting everyone he sees. However the question is whether it is worth the cost given how rare it is. There are many more common evens that endanger kids than a psycho shooting- which to the best of my knowlege has occurred maybe five times in the past thirty years.
Adam Landza, Nicholas Cruz, Jeffrey Weise, Charles Roberts, Duane Morrison, TJ Lane, Jaylen Fryberg, Jesse Osborne, Gabe Parker, William Atchison
Those are just the ones since 2000, who have killed at least one student, in a school, during school hours. That is over a hundred students (not counting adults or family members) who were killed or injured. How many need to die or be injured for it to be worth the cost?
Shall we discuss how many more would be alive if we just prevented people like those named above from getting guns so easily and legally?
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