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Old 07-26-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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I don't think people hate academically gifted students. I am personally annoyed by all these parents who think their kids are gifted though lol.
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Old 07-26-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Around here all sports fundraise. Public, private, charter, whatever. They all fundraise. Fundraising goes towards the things the school or district does not provide. I don't think there is a profit motive for high school sports.



As I mentioned above, I don't think anyone hates gifted students. In some places gifted students are not given the educational support they deserve. That is a big reason why I moved my kids out of the public school system in the first place. But that is not hatred.
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Old 07-26-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Regarding the idea of gifted students, I just noticed that Pennsylvania schools list the "Percent of Gifted Students" on their school performance profile. Here are a few across the state:

Mt Lebanon Senior High School 5.88%

Upper St. Clair Senior High 12.08%

Beaver Falls Area SHS 7.34%

Brookville JSHS 4.48%

Greater Johnstown Senior High 3.03%

Reading Senior High 5.29%

Cumberland Valley HS 3.25%

Lower Merion HS 8.15%

See Select a County - PA School Performance Profile
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:29 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Regarding the idea of gifted students, I just noticed that Pennsylvania schools list the "Percent of Gifted Students" on their school performance profile. Here are a few across the state:

See Select a County - PA School Performance Profile
Does seem to run around 5%

All very nice and bureaucratic:

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(g) The following protection-in-evaluation measures shall be considered when performing an evaluation of students suspected of being gifted:
(1) No one test or type of test may be used as the sole criterion for determining that a student is or is not gifted.
(2) Intelligence tests yielding an IQ score may not be used as the only measure of aptitude for students of limited English proficiency, or for students of racial-, linguistic- or ethnic-minority background.
(3) Tests and similar evaluation materials used in the determination of giftedness shall be:
(i) Selected and administered in a manner that is free from racial and cultural bias and bias based on disability.
https://www.pacode.com/secure/data/0...16/s16.22.html
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Regarding the idea of gifted students, I just noticed that Pennsylvania schools list the "Percent of Gifted Students" on their school performance profile. Here are a few across the state:

Mt Lebanon Senior High School 5.88%

Upper St. Clair Senior High 12.08%

Beaver Falls Area SHS 7.34%

Brookville JSHS 4.48%

Greater Johnstown Senior High 3.03%

Reading Senior High 5.29%

Cumberland Valley HS 3.25%

Lower Merion HS 8.15%

See Select a County - PA School Performance Profile
My high school!
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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My high school!
Fascinating that they have 7.34%

The vast majority of children are not gifted. Only 2 to 5 percent of kids fit the bill, by various estimates. Of those, only one in 100 is considered highly gifted. Prodigies (those wunderkinds who read at 2 and go to college at 10) are rarer still -- like one to two in a million. And despite the boom in infant-stimulation techniques, educational DVDs, learning toys, and enrichment classes, those numbers haven't been increasing. You can't build giftedness; it's mostly built in.

I think that schools use IQ and kids who do well in school as a measure and that is NOT truely what gifted kids are about. I was above average, but that does not mean I was gifted. My son, otoh, was gifted in science and math, but not in English or Reading.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Fascinating that they have 7.34%

The vast majority of children are not gifted. Only 2 to 5 percent of kids fit the bill, by various estimates. Of those, only one in 100 is considered highly gifted. Prodigies (those wunderkinds who read at 2 and go to college at 10) are rarer still -- like one to two in a million. And despite the boom in infant-stimulation techniques, educational DVDs, learning toys, and enrichment classes, those numbers haven't been increasing. You can't build giftedness; it's mostly built in.

I think that schools use IQ and kids who do well in school as a measure and that is NOT truely what gifted kids are about. I was above average, but that does not mean I was gifted. My son, otoh, was gifted in science and math, but not in English or Reading.
Yes, well, we've discussed this stuff before. It all depends on what the definition of gifted is. I would seriously doubt there are that many gifted people in that town, especially now that the mills have closed and the city itself has lost a lot of population, particularly of workers.
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Old 07-31-2018, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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This is something I've pondered from time to time and it came up again today reading the local paper. This country in general seems to have an active dislike of those who are academically gifted. We constantly find ways to put them down, both large and small. But with athletics, it's different. As a culture we admire athletic prowess. We shower adulation and money down on them. Even at the lowest level of sport, the kid who is just a tiny bit stronger or faster gets all the attention.


I know this dichotomy is real having experienced myself and with my kids. But I can't explain it, nor even understand it. And the more I read about it, the less it makes sense. Our schools put effort into supporting and bringing the lowest performers up to the minimum, but pretty much ignore the gifted assuming they will just be fine on their own. An example from my own schooling is being berated by the teacher for reading ahead "how are you going to learn to read if you don't keep the place!!!" when I already knew how to read, as evidenced by the fact I was a couple chapters ahead while the class was stuck on one paragraph.


Sorry for the stream of consciousness, it just kind of flowed out after reading the paper this morning.
good, $64,000 question. i have no answer other than the hatred helps those losing a grip on their economic power feel better at night...a derivative of schadenfreude...
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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good, $64,000 question. i have no answer other than the hatred helps those losing a grip on their economic power feel better at night...a derivative of schadenfreude...
Ironically, whether rightly or not, it's us former "gifted" students that are losing our economic power, since it seems that the working world is becoming more and more about who is the best drinking buddy, who has the best connections, who is the best looking, and who is willing to work the longest hours for the least amount of money.
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Old 08-05-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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I was in the United States Navy and in the enlisted nuclear power field. The first 1.5-2 years are full of lecture based curriculum. We were required to complete mandatory study hours based on our exam performance. I had to put in the hours grinding, reading, repeating, writing, etc. to perform well on (or just pass!) the tests and ended up coming out as just average, so I would have to put in an average number of mandatory study hours. Meanwhile a handful of jerks in the class read the material once and/or had photographic memories and/or only went off the lectures and skipped the readings, aced the tests, and had no mandatory study hours. So yes, I hated those gifted a-holes lol.
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